11337845
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
1 edit | Uhhhh?
the company's primary interest: offering power customers instantaneous access to their power consumption data. Not like a calculator and two measurements an hour apart couldn't do the same thing. Are you kidding me?
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR
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| Good For Them
If San Diego Gas & Electric can deploy BPL and make it work, then thumbs up to them.
There are a lot of people who will bash San Diego Gas & Electric or the BPL concept in general; but if it works (and people subscribe to it), BPL will be here to stay.
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Automate
join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA
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Re: Uhhhh?
The BBR synopsis is a little misleading. If you read the article you will see the real goal is minute my minute pricing. Eventually the price of electricity will be higher in the middle of a hot summer day than in the middle of the night. Encouraging people to operate their discretionary appliances like dish washers and washing machines during off peak hours is one way to reduce the overall peak power plant capacity requirements. |
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11337845
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| So it's not for the customers as much as for the company? If I understand you correctly, they wish to use this technology to do two things: All but eliminate meter readers and charge more for peak usage vs. non-peak usage. Is that the gist of it?
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glidereric
join:2001-12-06
Seattle, WA | BPL
Unfortunately they won't be able to violate the laws of physics.. I'm just amazed how far these guys are trying to push a FAILED technology!
The dumb are getting dumber..... |
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Automate
join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA | reply to 11337845
Re: Uhhhh?
You got it! |
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JmGx
join:2003-04-08
San Diego, CA
1 edit |  Price/Speed?
I can't read the article, so I can't get many details, but does the article say what speed they'll provide? I'm currently in SoCal and I'd be interested in the trials =)! If they give me speeds faster than my current 4mbps/500kbps cable for under 50 bucks, I'd be down! |
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jgr5266
@fuse.net | BPL already works in Cincinnati
Cinergy (Our local electricity co.) offers 3mbit broadband connections over their power lines for 49 bucks. It is only deployed in some neighborhoods, and the service is offered through an affiliation with Current Technologies (www.current.com). |
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rawgerz
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Grove City, PA
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Re: BPL
i can see all the liberals running to their phones, calling their lawyers and saying their privacy has been violated
are they doing this solely for the prospect of monitoring equipment or to provide future broadband?
i dont think a city as big as that needs any MORE providers
did they miss something with the interference issues or does this not apply to non broadband usage?
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meagain2132
@fuse.net | reply to jgr5266
Re: BPL already works in Cincinnati
The actual address is www.current.net
here is there prices:
»www.current.net/ServiceAndPricin···enefits/ |
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antdude
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said by jgr5266:
Cinergy (Our local electricity co.) offers 3mbit broadband connections over their power lines for 49 bucks. It is only deployed in some neighborhoods, and the service is offered through an affiliation with Current Technologies (www.current.com). You meant »www.currenttechnologies.com/ ... |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
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Re: Uhhhh?
Yes and they will be able to shut down your air conditioner,
and any thing else they think is using to much power at your house, or barring this they will get laws passed so they can do the same thing except fine you for their illegal use.
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zoom314
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| said by Transmaster  :Yes and they will be able to shut down your air conditioner, And anything else they think is using to much power at your house[snip] Now how would one do that? Last I looked AC units don't have remote capabilities through the power line. Show Me one unit that does this or fold.
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Transmaster
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| Oh this is one of the things the power companies, Microsoft and embedded CPU's manufacturers are pushing for the so-call Internet capable home appliance. To the consumer they are selling the Internet angle, the power companies are looking at the control angle.
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11337845
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA
| Easy solution to your tinfoil suggestion: Plug networked appliances into your own firewalled LAN. I'd like to see the power company try and hack someone's router.
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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»www.smarthomeusa.com/Shop/Climat···m/TXB16/
Of course, I don't expect them to be trying to control someone's AC unit over X10. 
For what they're trying to do, I'm sure they could just install a relay that listens their signals that controls access to the the 220 circuit that powers the AC. If they don't want it on, it won't get any juice. But man, if they try anything like that for anything other than a dire emergency, I'm going to be on the phone screaming at them.
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AbBaZaBbA
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join:2002-07-10
Wildomar, CA | well
I say they take all the $$$ they spend on the pr to try and convince people to conserve energy and use it to build more power plants. |
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zoom314
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
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Re: Uhhhh?
said by Transmaster :Oh this is one of the things the power companies, Microsoft and embedded CPU manufacturers are pushing for the so-call Internet capable home appliance. To the consumer they are selling the Internet angle, the power companies are looking at the control angle. Well that may be so, But the ability to turn off an appliance remotely has as about as much chance of becoming real as someone filling up the Grand Canyon on Mars with Liquid water anytime soon. If It were done, People would bypass It somehow. Me I'm not worried, As It would be a paranoid thought to Me. Think what You like, If You so feel like It.
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oliphant
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| How about just trying to keep the lights on
When I lived in South OC (Laguna Hills) I had SDG&E and CONSTANT power outtages...3-4 a month. It was a joke. In talking to friends who still live there the problems persist. I would home that SDG&E would solve those problems FIRST...secure sources of new power FIRST...long before wasting ratepayer dollars on FAILED experiments like BPL.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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1 edit | reply to 11337845
Re: Uhhhh?
Carrier is in the final stages of marketing an Internet enabled thermostat the chip set is being designed and build by Emware. Samsung has an Internet connected frig' and there is even a microwave that is connected.
All it will take is coding and some extra parts and any such device will be remote controllable.
»www.comfortchoice.carrier.com/de···SSION=NO
»www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···4,00.asp
Having said all of this. There is no way in hell I would let any such thing in my house!
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