 CCTVTech
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join:2003-04-23
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CCTVTech
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2005-Feb-18 2:50 pm
To Block Or Not To?This is going to get interesting fast. Will the ISP's block VoIP and face bad publicity and lawsuits or will they allow it while selling their own VoIP?  |
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 FFH5
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Tavistock NJ
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FFH5
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2005-Feb-18 2:50 pm
Vonage lawyers gearing up for big drop in businessIt is probably just the Vonage lawyers gearing up for big drop in business and getting all their excuses in order for all the lawsuits they plan on filing later. They know that all the cable companies and telcos are moving into the VOIP business and they probably realize they are already dead meat. This is just their way of laying some kind of legal basis to claim damages for the implosion of their company. My Web PageMy BlogJoin Red Room Forum |
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 spamd
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spamd
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2005-Feb-18 2:51 pm
Worm's ??I'll show you my worm, right here!!! |
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC |
Matt3
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2005-Feb-18 2:53 pm
Just one more.......reason I would never use a 3rd party VoIP provider.
This is exactly why I pay $15 more a month for Time Warner Digital Phone, so I don't have these headaches. |
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Gotcha Bells right here!Gotta love free commerce!! This is a good example of the bells kicking you in yours then running for the hills. |
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 woody7
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woody7
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2005-Feb-18 3:00 pm
I love thisThis is the crap that makes America so great:D |
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Scary, OOL User Informed Me Yesterday of thisI was in a class this week and an Optimum Online User said that he was forced to use OOL's VOIP Service because he had tried others and they were being blocked. He was located about 60 miles North of Manhattan.
This is awful, that would be like Verizon blocking me from calling Cingular to sign-up for cell service or calling AT&T for LD.
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
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Its should be made illegal real fastI cant think of any reason that this should be allowed. The whole idea of Voip was to increase competition in the industry. The FCC needs to put a stop to this real fast. |
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Re: Just one more....I see, just feed the large companies that are causing the problems. |
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Didn't the FCC already say it was a small ISPI believe they said it was a small ISP |
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 Greg_Z
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join:2001-08-08
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Re: Its should be made illegal real fastNo, the FCC needs to put a stop to these VoIP companies that have bad business sense, and have more horror stories then good.
Face it, Venture Capital only goes so far, and you will start seeing these independant VoIP companies start to get ate up within the next 5-8 years. |
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DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
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said by Greg_Z:No, the FCC needs to put a stop to these VoIP companies that have bad business sense, and have more horror stories then good. Face it, Venture Capital only goes so far, and you will start seeing these independant VoIP companies start to get ate up within the next 5-8 years. I dont understand how that relates to network access ? Basicly there are blocking communications, solely for there benefit. Even the bells cant do that, Verizon is my provider, yet i have local and long distance from sprint. |
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to HardwareGeek
Re: Didn't the FCC already say it was a small ISPOOL is not small. |
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 garagerock
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to DaveDude
Re: Its should be made illegal real fastAgreed. It's bad business sense to expect providers to not block ports?? |
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Re: Didn't the FCC already say it was a small ISPI am a OOL user and a Vonage user. Cablevision isn't blocking vonage. |
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to shashinka9
Re: Scary, OOL User Informed Me Yesterday of thisHe probably didn't set it up correctly then because I am an OOL user and Vonage user for a year and a half now. |
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Interesting, I will make sure I tell him about this thread then. |
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CCTVTech
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join:2003-04-23
Phoenix, AZ |
CCTVTech
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2005-Feb-18 3:36 pm
Told YaI told ya this would get interesting.
I have been using Vonage for serveral months and not had any problems at all, now if I started having trouble and it was proven to be Qwest blocking my VoIP service there would be he** to pay. |
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Re: Scary, OOL User Informed Me Yesterday of thisAsk him to IM me. OOL does not intentionally block any outside VOIP service, and I've never heard of any OOL customer having a problem like that. |
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cptmiles2
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join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN
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QoSThe FCC has not set a Quality of Service Standard on VOIP. If the FCC did set a standard and forced the VOIP companies to pay the Bells, Time Warners and Comcasts of the world to interconnect and prioritize VOIP packets, pricing of VOIP companies will go right to the same level as TDM, which, by the way, has FCC QoS standards. Why should the Bells and the Cable companies who have spent real dollars to build extensive networks let someone else use their lines to make money on a product they can do themselves? The only way that will work is if the government took over all communication companies and forced open standards (ain't gonna happen). I say enjoy the cheap VOIP products while you have them, they are soon to go by the way of the pet rock and leg warmers. |
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Re: Its should be made illegal real fastNetwork providers have every right to block ports unregistered ports where they see a threat to the operation of their switches and routers. If someone devises a port that is also common to a VoIP platform its SOL VoIP. |
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 pcscdmahi
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Winterset, IA
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Re: Just one more....Actually Vonage is the one causing the problems. They are the ones who are crying because their service sucks. They are probably dumb enough to blame Time Warner because their 911 'service' doesn't work. And the mass media is dumb enough to fall for this crap.
BTW: Everytime you see an article in the paper about someone getting injured, killed etc. because VoIP doesn't work it is because the Bells paid them to do so in their FUD campaign. It's all a conspiracy. |
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 cdruGo Colts
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join:2003-05-14
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to FFH5
Re: Vonage lawyers gearing up for big drop in busisaid by FFH5:It is probably just the Vonage lawyers gearing up for big drop in business and getting all their excuses in order for all the lawsuits they plan on filing later. They know that all the cable companies and telcos are moving into the VOIP business and they probably realize they are already dead meat. This is just their way of laying some kind of legal basis to claim damages for the implosion of their company. What implosion? Vonage (and likely et al) offer a better product at a lesser price (at least compaired to Verizon's VoiceWing VoIP. With the 500 minute plan it's nearly 1/2 the cost. The unlimited plan is still cheaper, more included features, and has better rates for international long distance and free Canada long distance. The only benifit that I would get by going with my RBOC over Vonage is who I write the check to at the end of the month. For me, I'll write a 2nd check to save $120 a year. |
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 Pathfinder5Dazed Confused
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Has anyone..here actually been blocked? I hear a lot of allegations and suppositions and threats but no one has come forth to say "I was blocked" by Quest, Verizon SBC,OOL, or any other.
Until then it just sounds like BS. |
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pcscdmahi
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join:2004-01-14
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Regulate the internetssaid by DaveDude: The FCC needs to put a stop to this real fast. USF anyone? |
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cdruGo Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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to garagerock
Re: Its should be made illegal real fastDepends on what the port is being blocked for. If it's for security, such as blocking file and print sharing ports then it's good. If it's to enfore a policy prohibiting servers, such as web or e-mail, not great but still acceptable in my book (go get a business account you cheapskate). If it's to block IPs and or ports for a competitor of a sister company, that's wrong. |
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bucolo
join:2002-09-27
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to shashinka9
Re: Scary, OOL User Informed Me Yesterday of thisI hardly ever post but I felt obligated. You are wrong. It is not like verizon blocking you from calling cingular to sign up for cell service.
Verizon owns land lines, fiber, etc....
Vonage "uses" the internet to their atvantage. They have no real product.
They may have switches and other hardware, but you can bet it is housed in a Verizon office.
It was just a matter of time before "V" wins this battle.
The problem is Vonage never did their research. They chose a format, SIP, and ports that can be blocked by any isp. They have built their business on the backbone of the chance blocking doesn't occur.
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 firephotoTruth and reality matters
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join:2003-03-18
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to pcscdma
Re: Just one more....To get "any" phone to contact the proper 911 dispatch center all that is needed by whoever is in charge of routing the call is the actual number for the area that is "911". 911 isn't magic, it has a regular phone number.
If the number that gets displayed at the dispatch center has the wrong address data attached to that phone number then yes it can be a vonage issue. Contacting 911 with you vonage phone shouldn't be a vonage issue unless someone won't give vonage the proper "real number" for "911" for an area.
Be aware that a lot of E911 dispatch centers are in private companies hands, not a public agency, so there's no telling who could be pulling their strings at times. |
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Rise of the Stupid NetworkPlease read - » www.hyperorg.com/misc/st ··· net.htmlWhy the Intelligent Network was once a good idea, but isn't anymore. BTW I did not right this but it is absolutely correct. The smart networks will bow down to the dumb network. |
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Re: Its should be made illegal real fastAn ISP blocking ANY port is asking for trouble. They asked to be a common carrier (not liable for what goes across their wires), so guess what, they have to live with the downside too. Blocking Ports is just the start of a slippery slope downward into facism, as who determines what's 'right and wrong' to block? You do? Hardly. The only think the ISP's can do is ROUTE TRAFFIC. Period. They don't judge what the traffic is, and that's the way the world is supposed to work. Start selectively blocking ports today, and tomorrow they are building virtual gas chambers for 'applications and traffic they deem threatening'. The world got rid of one horrible dictator, we don't need idiots like the previous poster building up his new '4th Reich' of ISP's that are helping us by blocking ports. |
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