ropeguru
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clubs: | This can be taken care of...
by the homeowners going to their Association meetings and voting the bastards out. They have that right..
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oliphant
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1 edit | That's the case in OC
...in Ladera Ranch in south OC. You pay for Cox whether you like it or not, whether you actually use it or not. Want SBC...tough...you can pay for both.
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RailRoadDude
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Redwood Valley, CA | That stinks! |
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joebear29
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Alabaster, AL | This is why homeowner's association suck
This is why homeowner's association suck, and why I avoided them when I bought my house.
I did not go to the trouble to buy a house so that someone else could tell me what ISP to use, when to cut the grass or rake the leaves. |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | reply to ropeguru
Re: This can be taken care of...
It's not a matter of that...but the convenants and what deal the 'corporation' that is the HOA or even the developer struck with the provider.
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | reply to RR Conductor
Re: That's the case in OC
Yeah, but then again, if you have $600K+ for a house, I guess they figure you can cough up $140/mo in association dues and have $20 left over for SBC.
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lordfly
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Homestead, FL
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| That is just ridiculous
I used to be on the board of an association. We battled over forcing Adelphia Cable on everyone, and then we realized that over half of the community was switching to DirecTV or DISH including everyone on the board.
This might not happen because some states require a majority community vote, not just a board vote, to make this type of change.
This is another reason I moved out of the assocation last year into my own home in the Redland (Deep South Florida) agricultural community. |
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oliphant
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1 edit | reply to joebear29
Re: This is why homeowner's association suck
Fortunately, CC&R's and other requirements are disclosed prior to sale (by law). People know they're going to get that hassle when they buy...so while lame...it's still on the buyer to make the decision on whether to know to accept that lameness.
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RailRoadDude
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We didn't have a choice with last two houses my parents have bought (Pocatello, Idaho, 1990-96, and the current one in Redwood Valley, CA, 96-present), they came with the package, and they do keep some of the area around (the pic I have included, that's looking out towards Ukiah from just outside their back yard) from being developed into vineyards or homes, a good thing 
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RailRoadDude
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Re: That's the case in OC
California home prices are horrible! 600K, OUCH  ! The only places you can afford any more are in the high desert, central valley, the Redding, Chico and Marysville areas and NE CA (Alturas, McCloud). |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA
| Which is why I don't live in OC anymore But west RCo is getting to be just as bad.
The concept of spending $450K and ending up with a 1000sqft dump in the worst part of the worst city didn't sit well with my wallet. Want a "normal" house that's 1800sqft or a bit bigger with (dare I say it) a yard and driveway...$500-$900K depending on the city. Then there's Newport...add another zero.
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Redwood Valley, CA | It's a shame too, I love CA, and I will stay here, but they need to do something about the home prices! I mean, it's great if you own a home, you make more money, but first time buyers are getting shut out of the market. |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA
1 edit | Heck at the way things are going up, even previous owners are having a hard time. I think it's topography as much as it being OC. With the mountains just to the east, it creates a sort of island of demand since you can't just be another 5 miles away. The other side of the mountain like where I am, turns a 5mi commute into a 25mi commute in some of the worst traffic in SoCal. If they had more routes (like the proposed tunnel or another toll road over the mtn.) in and out of the county I think prices would stabilize a bit since you would have more supply and west RCo would continue increasing.
In the meantime...yep...OC buy-in is getting steeper and steeper.
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shimonmor
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Sedro Woolley, WA
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Re: This is why homeowner's association suck
said by joebear29  :This is why homeowner's association suck I agree 100%. The benefits are far outweighed by the hassle and grief caused by HOA. I will never buy another home with a HOA. Yes, people can eventually try to vote to change the rules but I've found with our HOA that you can't get anything done. Half the owners are apathetic and never come to a meeting and won't vote on anything. The other half are people who are afraid of anyone tampering with their precious HOA rules and regs and are HOA nazis. I've given up dealing with the HOA and have taken the stance of trying to convince everyone to vote to dissolve the HOA...which, of course, will never happen.
Anyway, people are made aware of all the rules before they buy the home but unfortunately, as in my case, you are so frazzled by the whole process (especially if it's your first home) that it's hard to absorb and realize the implications of the covenants. But, the bottom line in my opinion is buyer beware. The printing is on the package. Live and learn. I sure did. |
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Re: That's the case in OC
It sounds like it is cheaper to buy land in Japan.
Having said that there is another paralell there too...
Can you say bubble?
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oliphant
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Re: This is why homeowner's association suck
The hardest part is if you want to get into an area, sometimes there are nothing but HOA's. I live in an HOA area and luckily ours is very tolerant and pretty much sticks to mowing the common areas and keeping the pools clean and the gym open and making sure no one paints their house purple with stripes.
But some HOAs in my area, they go as far as writing people up for tiny oil stains or those portable basketball hoops in the driveway and no flowers in the front flower beds.
Then there's always the crazy lady on the board who is going to tell everyone how to live, and let her buddies get away with murder.
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TheMadSwede
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Holland, MI
·Charter Pipeline
| Novel idea
Mow my grass, shovel my snow and make sure the neighbors don't have 50 people living in a 2 BR condo. Just let me worry about any telecommunications services I might want or need.
You can say "it's not that easy...", but it really is.
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technick
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Loganville, GA
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Re: This can be taken care of...
Yea I agree, it makes me as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. But any HOA has the power to amend the covenants, and change the rules. I hate crappy HOA's! My current HOA is trying hard, but the 3 previous HOA yearly members didn't do crap. =\, sorry if I sound bitter about it. Well anyways, they can kick them out if they amend the HOA.
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bistro777
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Englewood, CO
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Re: This is why homeowner's association suck
Over 40% of new housing in the US is now developed as some form of association ownership (HOA/UOA). The counties love it because, in many instances, the county gains green space and all the extra tax dollars while assuming no obligation or liability for maintenance. In fact, many new townhome communities are now formed as condominium associations - traditional townhome-style construction, but with all the roads, etc. the responsibility of the owners. Again, the counties gain high-density tax dollars and assume no costs for any maintenance and repairs. (And that makes it r-e-a-l easy for developers to get their permits, etc.)
"Buyer beware" applies to just about everything, which is why most HOA/UOA community formats have a ten-day "free look" period (rather than just three days) so prospective purchasers can review the declaration and bylaws. Some communities work well - it all depends on the owners - and others do not, whether due to apathy, scofflaws or whatever. I've owned homes in three HOAs and experienced varying degrees of satisfaction - - which is why I am now the board president of my HOA...trying to instill some common sense into a few folks. (Isn't working.)
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
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Re: Novel idea
It's NOT that simple, because of one thing: corruption. Graft. Kickbacks and the like. The telco company makes a sweetheart deal with the developer, the developer pockets the money, passes the contract onto the homeowners association, and leaves the owners holding the bag. |
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