Bill
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Will the companies be supplying the hardware?
If so, I wonder if they are going to enable WEP/WPA by default? I doubt it. Verizon started handing out the "all-in-one" units, and those came with the wireless function enabled, and unsecured. |
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hottboiinnc
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TWC WOH uses Toshiba cable modems with built in wireless routers in them. and if you ask and they feel like giving it to you they'll give you a new netgear modem/wi-fi router. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by Bill  :Will the companies be supplying the hardware? If so, I wonder if they are going to enable WEP/WPA by default? I doubt it. Verizon started handing out the "all-in-one" units, and those came with the wireless function enabled, and unsecured. And for paying extra for a MANAGED service, that is inexcusable. A customer should at least get a secured router for that extra fee.
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bozzo
join:2003-10-17
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In Los Angeles (though it might be national), Verizon started to provide Dell WiFi routers with their DSL service, now the cable providers jump once again on the bandwagon...
It seems to me that the companies that are making the big bucks in this "electronic age" are always reacting to technological progress with A LOT of resistance at first, before being almost forced to embrace it...
This is another perfect example, after the best and the most flagrant: MP3 and digital music. It took years for the music industry for them to realize they had more interest to go along with it and profit from it than to try to fight it as they did at first. This, to me (flag me for that), almost justifies on its own P2P and piracy.
Here I guess a newly-hired geek with some business sence had to explain to the executives what Wifi is and that they could profit from this technology... sad..
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Bill
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I think the Verizon all-in-one's were free, and it isn't an extra monthly fee, but I may be wrong.
Either way, it's still inexcusable; they're leaving their (Verizon) network open to illegal activites, when they give out insecure hardware.
I've seen people post in the Verizon forum that didn't even know they had a wireless feature! They figured they had to enable it. They only became aware of it after they noticed someone else was using their bandwidth.
I hope these cable companies don't follow Verizons lead.
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FDM80
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Silver Spring, MD | More computers = more bandwith
The more people hook up a computer to their routers, the faster they will hit their bandwith caps. |
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AbBaZaBbA
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Re: Will they be supplying the hardware?
especially if someone had sensitive information on their pc and it was stolen because the encryption was off by default. That would cause a big lawsuit. |
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Mikelr
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Re: More computers = more bandwith
We just started offering wireless networking to our cable customers in Ventura, CA. We provide the wireless gateway for $5 a month ($2 more than a regular modem). We install with WEP enabled, and the gateway configured for secured access by our tech support staff. We realize that many of the people who are starting to get into networking are not experienced enough to set this up themselves, so we do all the setup, and are able to do some serious hand-holding when they call for tech support. |
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throwdown
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said by FDM80 :The more people hook up a computer to their routers, the faster they will hit their bandwith caps. Not true. Each cable line is capped at a certain rate (i.e. 3mpbs), and all the router does is allow you to disperse that bandwidth among computers in your house. |
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oliphant
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Re: Will they be supplying the hardware?
"They" didn't leave anything. Verizon just stuffs the wireless modem/router/AP in a box and says here ya go. They leave it up to the end user to set it up, including securing it. As is the case with most wireless hardware there was mention of it in the instructions from Verizon as well as the configuration wizard.
Meanwhile that modem is complete crap and many are ditching it or requesting an older Westell like the 21xx or 22xx.
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oliphant
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Re: More computers = more bandwith
In the case of some cable operators like Comcast, the same TOS/AUP limitation apply for HN as their regular service...thus the more bandwidth you consume the faster you get their nastygram.
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Re: Will they be supplying the hardware?
Posted this on the right thread, this time. . .
We just started offering wireless networking to our cable customers in Ventura, CA. We provide the wireless gateway for $5 a month ($2 more than a regular modem). We install with WEP enabled, and the gateway configured for secured access by our tech support staff. We realize that many of the people who are starting to get into networking are not experienced enough to set this up themselves, so we do all the setup, and are able to do some serious hand-holding when they call for tech support. We are a small company serving about a third of the city. Not related to any large MSO's. |
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Sounds like there will be many more open WAPs in some cities... 
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keith2468
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Re: More computers = more bandwith
It isn't how many computers are hooked up that determines when you hit your bandwidth cap.
It is how many files you upload and download.
And that has to do with what hobbies the customer has, and how many people live in the customer home.
Having 2 or 3 computers is more of a convenience for most families.
It means family members can get on the computer when they want, instead of queue up to use it one after another.
If the customer's hobby is running a major software or multi-media distribution site, and they do that on all their computers, yes then the more computers means hitting the cap sooner. But then they should have probably an institutional account.
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keith2468
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Re: Will they be supplying the hardware?
There is a big opportunity here for someone, not just ISPs, to start a business offering home networks properly and securely installed. |
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oliphant
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Re: More computers = more bandwith
That wasn't his point. His point was that the more computers using the same service = more usage of the service. The more usage of the service, the faster you reach certain providers -coughcast- monthly caps.
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Trakker
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Re: Will they be supplying the hardware?
Why even bother? Just buy a WiFi modem and have a monkey install it if you can't.
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FDM80
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Re: More computers = more bandwith
said by oliphant :That wasn't his point. His point was that the more computers using the same service = more usage of the service. The more usage of the service, the faster you reach certain providers -coughcast- monthly caps. Exactly. More computers being able to get online at one time usually means more than one person using the connection at once, which you would think would lend itself to more bandwith being used overall. |
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The Folsom
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Re: Will they be supplying the hardware?
said by Bill :Will the companies be supplying the hardware? If so, I wonder if they are going to enable WEP/WPA by default? I doubt it. Verizon started handing out the "all-in-one" units, and those came with the wireless function enabled, and unsecured. I have Verizon (NO complaints-BTW), and I was experienced enough to go straight away to the config on the modem/gateway(Westell Versalink 327W) and make sure the wireless was disabled. As of now I have my wireless client and modem WPA-enabled...
But there are others who may not be savvy enough to do this... I submit: all providers who give this kind of tech to their subscribers must disable by default OR make some kind of advisory for their subs...
It's one thing when manufacturers send out their products wide open out of the box; when an ISP does this, it is asking for network trouble, IMHO.
YMMV.
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What they should do is have it so Wireless is enabled by default, but it requires you to do a song and dance to get it set up.
EXAMPLE:
You connect to your access point with wireless. It lets you connect to a page saying This is how you set up your Wireless Computer for Internet access. It involves a password and your ISP account username. Then it should automatically pick up mac address, give you specific instructions on how to set up your computer to use encryption. This leaves their network Only to their customers, and customers get an easy(er) way of securing their Wireless Internet.
But of course, this is too much work for a company to do...when they can just not do it and get away with it anwyay
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