PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs:   | .... no thanks
I understand that everything is compressed at some point, but Windows Media 9? ... uh, ... okay
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trebzon
join:2001-09-03
Grandville, MI
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| said by PhoenixDown  :I understand that everything is compressed at some point, but Windows Media 9? ... uh, ... okay Although I am not a huge fan of this strategy either we should not give the impression that everyone will see the MS logo and have Windows Media Player all of sudden running on there wide screen HD tv but rather will be using the same codec. |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to PhoenixDown
No kidding, talk about technology running backwards.
Soon in the future, we'll all be running Atari 2400s!
I thought we always upgraded to the latest and the greatest, not ran with a "standard" that's a generation out-of-date. |
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
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said by PhoenixDown :I understand that everything is compressed at some point, but Windows Media 9? ... uh, ... okay Could be worse, remember Real Media codecs? 
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PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
Premium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs: | reply to PhoenixDown
Out of curiousity, does anyone know how much loss thier is in these compression forms?
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
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PC gaming GAMES
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| reply to Corvus
Also consider what they'll be competing against. Anyone who has used Time Warner's Scientific Atlanta digital cable unit and service knows that generally speaking with some exceptions, the image quality out there in the cable sector is not very high.....I think you could generally field crap and be competitive if it's marketed well. |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| said by Karl Bode :I think you could generally field crap and be competitive if it's marketed well. If current-day politics has taught me anything, it's that this philosophy is very much alive and well. |
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Zein
join:2003-06-14
Painesville, OH | reply to PhoenixDown
I am just still wondering what they are going to use ADSL2+ or VDSL2, and what speeds are we going to get? |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | my current max sync is 1800k this gonna work?
How much more bandwidth can adsl2 give someone like me that can't get that much speed to begin with? |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
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| I just read the article
and it seems to contridict itself. It talks about how they will be using either WMV9 or MPEG4 in the beginning...and then it later talks about how they've already signed with Microsoft. Which is it? Maybe I read it wrong...
This FTTN approach just seems extremely short sighted. What I want to know is this: Is SBC doing FTTP in new developments at least? Or are they doing FTTN EVERYWHERE? If they're not at least doing FTTP for new builds, something is seriously wrong here... |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP
| FWIW
Using their numbers, you'll be able to do 2 MPEG-4 HD streams and 1 MPEG-4 SD stream (the article doesn't mention SD) with a little less than 2Mbit remaining downstream. That counts ATM overhead, but not IP overhead, which will remove another 5 to 10 percent of the bandwidth available. Add in the PPPoE framing overhead and the transport stream overhead wrapping the video streams, and I'm seeing little room for anything but TV.
I guess there won't be any households with multiple dual tuner DVRs. 
And regarding the last bit about "Home Zone." Don't they already bundle voice(POTS), video(Dish), and data(SBC/Yahoo!) on one bill?
I also find it interesting that they don't seem to have even begun to test the service over any actual or simulated ADSL2+ loops. Their experience thus far seems to consist of sending the data over some sort of fiber. I see no new ground being broken here.  |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Codecs aside...
What about the other 50% of subscribers? Are they simply going to have no future other than what they currently have?
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batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
Premium
join:2003-01-25
2 edits | reply to Zein
Re: .... no thanks
Words of wisdom from Kirk Brannock, SBC Midwest Networking President.
"we're going to offer 3 mb bpon technology to the side of the home and most users won't use that...."
FTTN because "Fiber is an unproven technology" perhaps?
Such vision for the future.....ack!
see the dialogue here -
»www.tricitybroadband.com/videos/unproven.wmv
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | reply to MarkyD
Re: I just read the article
Signing a deal with Microsoft, though it may cost them $$$, doesn't mean they *have* to use WMV9 in the end. Sure, it might be considered money down the drain, but such is R&D. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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1 edit | Who cares if it's WMV9 or MPEG-4? The results of either one are similar. It's always going to be inferior to the original MPEG-2 video, unless they can somehow get their content encoded directly at the source.
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Tech 007
@24.196.x.x | Go MPEG-4
Just like Charter is doing:
»Madison starts Charter - All Digital 3/7/5 |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to trebzon
Re: .... no thanks
Unless its $5/month for 200+ channels, I don't think so.
Also, being that its running Media Playe, I wonder if they'll have cookies on it to track which channels you are watching 
Let's see how 12 kHz audio sounds.... |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | reply to oliphant
Re: Codecs aside...
Bingo!
These subscribers, I venture to guess, are people that are currently NOT served by remote terminals. So this unfortunately does not include me.
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djdanska
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Glen Ellyn, IL
clubs:
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·RCN CABLE
| reply to batageek
Re: .... no thanks
said by batageek :Words of wisdom from Kirk Brannock, SBC Midwest Networking President. "we're going to offer 3 mb bpon technology to the side of the home and most users won't use that...." FTTN because "Fiber is an unproven technology" perhaps? Such vision for the future.....ack! see the dialogue here - » www.tricitybroadband.com/videos/unproven.wmv OMFG!
"we're going to offer 3 mb bpon technology to the side of the home and most users won't use that...."
What are they ...
Im not even going to say it.
Thank you very much for posting that. That immediately was sent to numerous people.. One of them who lives in Batavia, IL.
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audiog
join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
1 edit | reply to trebzon
Yes I agree.
WMP 9/10(MPEG 3) are up for DVDHD certification as the file format for the next gen DVD players. The other format is Blueray( MPEG 4) backed by Sony and the other computer hardware manufacturers.
Half of the DVD governing body wants WMP 9(MPEG 3) format and the other wants MPEG 4 video and audio. This has caused the MPEG 4 backers to break from the DVD governing body and to form the Blueray group a independent governing group. Now the IEEE guys are trying to mend the breakup and now the Blueray group is considering supporting WMP 9 and MPEG 4 as file formats.
So WMP 9( MPEG 3) is a natural test bed for IP TV but they should be looking at MPEG 4 also.
MPEG 4 is 30% more coding power the MPEG 3.
This link will explain the difference between MPEG 4 and 3:
»www.telos-systems.com/?/techtalk···ault.htm |
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