copperdoctor
Premium
join:2003-12-08
Palatine, IL | Pffft
As long as theyre at it why dont they ask the cable companies to unbundle the tv shows, Im tired of paying for Lifetime to watch HBO.
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raye
Premium
join:2000-08-14
Orange, CA | Hopefully this will lead to cheaper T1s, T3s, DS3s
I currently pay $180 to SBC for each of my four T1s (plus what my ISP charges me). This $720/month is JUST for the local loop.
What a ripoff. Hopefully something comes of this complaint. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | thats why you shop around for the T1s.
But SBC is a total rip. which is why a lot of people don't use them. Keep the CLECs and the Naked DSL coming! |
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aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA | Fiber...
They will make naked dsl available to all the neighborhoods that get project lightspeed, after it's substantially subscribed to of course... |
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Halo5
join:2000-07-20
Dayton, OH
clubs:  | 18 Dollars?!?
I work for a local ISP here in Dayton that resells SBC DSL, and they charge us $36.50 per line.
Time to call our SBC rep ASAP!  |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | Hmm....
Good Luck
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audiog
join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
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Re: Hopefully this will lead to cheaper T1s, T3s,
said by raye  :I currently pay $180 to SBC for each of my four T1s (plus what my ISP charges me). This $720/month is JUST for the local loop. What a ripoff. Hopefully something comes of this complaint. If your ISP is certified as CLEC they can get your T lines at wholesale and mark it up at less than what SBC is selling it for. I would shop around for a ISP that is a CLEC or resells a CLEC that is a wholesaler of bandwidth. The key is that they own your loop or lease it from SBC as a UNE-L and own their own network that should tell you if SBC is over charging you for you service. What state are you in? If I may ask....Shop around you are a business buying bandwidth and you are already tagged as a premium customer( high margin ). |
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Fershlugg
join:2000-10-11
Torrington, CT | reply to raye
count yourself lucky... it's $289/mo/T1 here from SBC...... |
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aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Halo5
Re: 18 Dollars?!?
That's probably because you guys are a tier 36 isp, the largest players get the largest discounts - plus i think those figures quoted are applicable to California....
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lettcco
join:2003-12-04
Valencia, CA | let's get Naked!
We should all protest in front of SBC building naked to show them how bad we want naked DSL!  |
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audiog
join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| reply to copperdoctor
Re: Pffft
said by copperdoctor :As long as theyre at it why dont they ask the cable companies to unbundle the tv shows, Im tired of paying for Lifetime to watch HBO. You are now seeing the second step in a two year fight with AT&T( NOW YOU SEE WHY SBC IS BUYING IT) and MCI( VERIZON OR QWEST) and others. The other ISP resellers are being helped by the AT&T legal guys who are fighting for a change in the resell rules.
The first step was the the California Public service commission forced SBC and Verizon to process all order from other CLECs and not block switching of local service because a customer has DSL.
The next step is to force SBC and others to make their systems which they say cannot provision a separate voice line from DSL and visa versa.
SBC with Verizons backing was saying that their system can only provision a DSL if the customer is local voice customer. Their system cannot give someone a DSL line when they have local phone service with lets say AT&T in California. SBC showed the commission their system in a sealed meeting that their is only one option for a DSL. This is the reason that SBC says you can only get DSL if you are a local voice customer( it is the only option in the provisioning system). The California commission is about to force SBC to fix their system to allow provisioning of a DSL line only or any other combination.
But the FCC has ended price caps on unbundled network elements and this supersedes any state regulation to a slim area of scope. We will see this taken to the FCC if SBC loses in California. The FCC controls all TSLRIC rates ( all network element prices and resell prices) with the states having some say. And these rate are created by mathmatisicans hired by the RBOCs to show what it cost them to build and operate a telecommunications network in the local market. |
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-09
clubs:
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Re: let's get Naked!
Just make sure you tell everyone before you show up; they're going to need something to block their eyes :p
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Halo5
Re: 18 Dollars?!?
When i worked for a local ISP here in Fremont a couple years ago we were quoted $26.50 per line but the price would go down to $xx amount for XX amount of customers and so on.
but in Fremont its all it and miss DSL. |
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john262
join:2003-09-26
Elko, NV
 ·Wireless Beehive
| Those ISP's will drive up prices.
If you are an SBC customer you can get DSL for $19.95 per month. That's dirt cheap and a real boon to consumers. Heck, a lot of diaup ISP's charge more than that.
But if these ISP's have their way SBC will no longer be able to sell DSL that cheap, and the consumer loses. As far as I'm concerned, if SBC wants to "subsidize SBC Yahoo’s DSL service with revenues from other telephone company subsidiaries" that's fine with me as long as it keeps prices down. |
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vavoiper
join:2005-03-08
Falls Church, VA
|  Yes, but if you let them have control of the market now, they will eventually raise prices...as monopolists always do (see 2 threads down on VZ's recent price increases). It's called Predatory Pricing, that is, using one's monopolistic position to lower prices to the detriment of competitors, and is illegal...if it can be proven. |
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turlockaviator
@206.78.x.x
| Spinoff ISP services//Transport only
These big carriers should simply sell transport services at the same rate to everyone. They should be forced to spinoff their ISP services so that it's the ISP's who compete with one another. I have 6 meg ADSL service that is carried over SBC's facilities, but the ISP is Sonic.net
I like Sonic because of the business class services they offer and the excellent customer service. SBC would in the end still make money since they would have guaranteed revenues as every ISP (including the one owned by SBC) would pay SBC the same amount for the physical piece of the DSL circuit. Competition in in the ISP market space is good for all consumers. |
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john262
join:2003-09-26
Elko, NV
·Wireless Beehive
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Re: Those ISP's will drive up prices.
Yes, I know all about predatory pricing. But if they raise their prices later people can always disconnect from them and get cable broadband or wireless. You see, as long as cable is out there and wireless is up and coming, they can't be called a monopoly.
The bottom line is that their $19.95 price is allowing many people to get broadband who otherwise couldn't afford it. How can that not be a good thing? |
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spg
Grrrr
join:2001-10-31
NOT Texas!
| Anything to prove the claim???
"illegally subsidizing SBC Yahoo’s DSL service with revenues from other telephone company subsidiaries."
Did they ever point out how exactly SBC is doing that? We can make all kinds of assumptions, but something to back up the allegations would be clever.
Here's the problem as near as I can tell: You get your dialtone from AT&T, and your DSL from another CLEC. The wires break, not out in the network, but inside the house; who does the repair tech talk to? And who gets charged?
There are choices out there, but it's finally being narrowed down to the companies that spent some cash and built some sort of network. The days of renting a line and reselling the product are nearing the end. Is that really so bad? If a company spends a chunk of change on some sort of network, shouldn't they get a shot at marketing their product? |
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vavoiper
join:2005-03-08
Falls Church, VA
| It's pretty obvious isn't it? The RBOC's are lowering the price of DSL if you take their voice bundle (remember Whiteacre saying DSL should cost more than $50 just 2 years ago?) while raising the customer's "line charge" in order to justify higher line charges to CLEC's under UNE-L. I guess we'll have to await the inevitable litigation to hear the details.
The customer owns the inside wiring, they're on their own for repairs. Many utilize wireless phones now rendering that a moot point anyway.
My access provider, Covad, is the ONLY facilities-based CLEC left and has negotiated commercial access agreements with all RBOC's except BLS. Since they own their network (everything past the last mile) they can also offer naked DSL for those close enough to CO's. |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | They're pathetic!
ISPs want it for free if they were confident they could get the government to back them. |
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