Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN | I am not surprised
Bush is the most big business President ever, did you expect his FCC to do anything else? Why monoplies are allowed to keep out competition I will never understand, I would included Cable Internet in that as well. |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | Phone Co better offer it.
Or they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Hell infact just spin of the local service and watch it die the slow painfull death. |
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY | Another nail in DSL coffin
What a dumb decision.
Plain DSL, and no voice pricing will save DSL
from cable. Plain and simple. |
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lawj
Premium
join:2004-07-31
Truro, NS | Capitalism
I don't see why a government should have the right to tell a private corporation how to sell it's products in a free-market economy. |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| I would agree with you in most casses, however public funds went into building the system we have today.
Pure capitalkism does not work. There has to be some checks in the system.
I am tired of government for the investor and not for the people. It seems more and more that is what we have. It is not so bad in the broadband/telco industry as it is in the food and drug industry. When was the last time a drug cured something rather than lifetime treatment? |
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Raydr
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-19
Carrollton, TX
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to lawj
said by lawj  :I don't see why a government should have the right to tell a private corporation how to sell it's products in a free-market economy. Probably because the government has to ensure that consumers aren't getting screwed.
I myself am without high speed internet, because where I live, only DSL is available. Bellsouth refuses to give me DSL service without phone service. I carry 3 cell phones on any given day, I have absolutely no need for landline service.
So, instead, my neighbor and I share a connection, and now they have double the usage for the same payment.
If they'd give me naked DSL, I'd be all over their highest DSL package.
BTW, if you want to confuse a rep, just call them up and ask if they have "naked DSL" available. |
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happyvalley
join:2005-03-21
| comparision
obviously, now, cable is getting cheaper (adelphia 30/month), more people will disconnect their land phones, and choose the package (cable + IP phone)
see the comparsion
1. verizon phone 20$ + DSL 30$ = 50$ ==> highspeed and local call.
long distance is not included here.
2. cable 30$ + VOIP (for example, broadvoice, 10$ for unlimited in-state, 20$ for unlimited any long-distance including many international call) == 40-50$ ==> highspeed and unlimited in-state/nation long distance
if a family makes longdistance more than 20$/month, will be interested in switching to second plan.
so not providing naked DSL is not helping traditional phone companies like verizon. probably it is a wise marketing strategy to provide naked DSL. |
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Plasticman
Will Work For Bandwidth
Premium
join:2002-09-06
Harrisville, RI
clubs:
 ·Cox HSI
| Thats Why
Thats why I am glad I have a cable modem and for my phone service a cell phone. But if the cable line goes down, I can still access the internet as my cell phone is bluetooth and linked to my computer to also work as a dial up modem....
Plasticman
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ncredible
@rr.com
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maxwell2112
| reply to Shack
Re: I am not surprised
having seen what clinton did to all the businesses in America, I thank God for Bush and his common sense. Yet I don't think Bush had anything to do with this, I think it is right. Why? Simple, the states have no right to force companyies to do business a certain way, the states haveing overspent money are now trying everything they can do to slap us the taxpayers for anything they can, if they had gotten what they wanted we the end customers would have been paying a higher bill.
As for the we own it , ha, 75 years ago maybe, right now today, you are not forced to pay for a phone, your tax money does not go to the bells, stop trying to say we own it. We the tax payers might have helped in the deployment but that does not entitle ownership of the lines. The whole big business thing is so insane, anyone in this country can start any business, as long as the rules are followed. With more rules such as this are in place it is harder for the smaller start ups to get anywhere. |
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SanJoseNerd
Premium
join:2002-07-24
San Jose, CA
| reply to Freezone
Re: Phone Co better offer it.
said by Freezone :
Phone Co better offer it or they will be shooting themselves in the foot.
They've had bulls-eyes painted on their feet for a long time now. We've seen many news articles about phone companies slowing or stopping deployments as a way to get legal or regulatory changes they want. But all they've accomplished is letting cable get farther ahead. They seem to believe that by withholding service and not giving the public what it wants, they'll win in the end. Makes you wonder just who is in charge of those companies, and whether they've ever heard of capitalism. |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| A phone line is a phone line, I guess.
I suppose the FCC's interpretation of the infrastructure into the home and commonly known as the 'copper pair' is that it is a phone platform with additional services vs. a copper-pipe that can be used for more than just plain old telephone service.
To the benefit of the local PSCs and PUCs, this should insure protection in their getting tax revenue from POTS. I do not necessarily see them making more from tax revenue from broadband (or IPTV) than POTS within the next short-term period. |
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justmesqui
Just-
Premium
join:2004-05-14
BH9 2RJ | if they were the same thing they would be called the same thing
one thing is a phone line for voice
one thing is internet for data
this really sucks u need to have a phone line with the company to have dsl |
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VoxxitDesign
join:2003-07-26
Fort Lauderdale, FL | telcos and voip
Why don't the telcos offer naked DSL, as well as a cheaper alternative to their landline phone service? That would create demand, and everyone would be happy. And we would finally have some nice competition. |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | reply to ncredible
Re: I am not surprised
said by ncredible:
I thank God for Bush and his common sense.
I'm not a very political person, but I don't think I've ever seen the words bush and common sense in the same sentence. |
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loadmaster
join:2001-01-10
San Jose, CA | Naked Cable Inernet Service?
Can you get cable internet access without cable tv channels? If not then the status quo has been maintained. The ruling is typical but the playing field must be the same for all. |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | reply to Raydr
Re: Capitalism
Ha, everytime I've ever called the phone company to ask for DSL only they always swear that its a "technical impossibility" Huh, wonder when that happened.  |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to justmesqui
Re: A phone line is a phone line, I guess.
DSL is a technology that was created to ride 'phone lines'. Otherwise they would probably have used two-pairs (four wires) instead of a single-pair.
I agree, naked DSL should be offered. There is no technology limitation preventing this. Its a CEO decision that keeps it in-place. |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | reply to loadmaster
Re: Naked Cable Inernet Service?
Yes. |
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KAD Imaging
Just Shoot It
Premium
join:2002-09-21
Hialeah, FL
 ·AT&T Southeast
|  reply to lawj
Re: Capitalism
said by lawj :I don't see why a government should have the right to tell a private corporation how to sell it's products in a free-market economy. Man!! So many people don't "get it". I use to work for the power company and I know all about poles, lines, and this thing called "right of way". Basically once a telco (or power util) has a pole in the ground, no one else can place another pole in the "right of way" area which also happens to be the only "free" area where a pole can be placed!! (Ever wonder why you only ever see one set of poles along the road?) That means everyone gets the big 'F*CK YOU' from the telcos cause they're not letting anyone use their poles. The whole "Deregulation" hub-bub squashed some of it but pretty much you HAVE to do what the telcos say cause there's no way around getting another copper line into your house...
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xlimitx
join:2001-12-31
Wilkes Barre, PA | reply to ColdFiltered
Re: Naked Cable Inernet Service?
Some cable companies do offer the service but that is not a rule. The cost is also a little higher than if the service is bundled with cable TV service. Then again, it's less than paying phone + inet. |
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