bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY | Is this the end of the internet as we know it?
Once ISP's start blocking whatever ports they feel fit it will spell the end of the internet as we know it. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | why would i want their service ?
Okay, i have a choice of isps, why would i pick their over someones with no restrictions ? Even if i dont use high bandwith apps ? |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| I love this quote...
quote:
McClure believes that operators have the right to dictate what types of traffic flow in and out of their networks. “Some people have the idea that if you go out and invest and build technology somehow you should just give it away to anybody who wants it,” McClure says.
Yes, those crazy customers paying you for bandwidth and then expecting their VoIP service to work - damn them. |
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pablo4
Proud Owner Of The Cornballer
join:2004-08-11
Kanata, ON
| Bandwith Usage
Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't voip a relatively low bandwidth user? Isn't the problem with customers demanding a more reliable "last mile" network?
How many megs of traffic is actually used by voip? Certainly noting compared to BitTorrent traffic or any P2P software for that matter.
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bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to DaveNJ
Re: why would i want their service ?
Until FIOS appears locally here on long island we don't have many choices plus when one ISP does it so will the competition. I can see the day fast approaching when ISP's like OOL and Verizon only allow their own VOIP and block all others.
Most ISP's want Ma and Pa checking their email, do a bit of online banking and thats all. Block VOIP, cripple Usenet, disconect large downloads every 2 hours... more soon to come... |
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: I love this quote...
Or how about this quote:
If they decide to block VOIP, so be it; consumers will vote with their feet. The problem with that is that many consumers don't have a choice of broadband providers. For many, there is only one provider, maybe two. That doesn't give them much room to "vote with their feet." (Going back to dial-up isn't a viable alternative to broadband if your goal is to get VoIP to work properly.)
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http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/
http://www.PCQandA.com/
http://www.urateit.com/ |
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anonanon
@client.atlant | mclure
is a toad, by the Doonesbury definition |
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batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
Premium
join:2003-01-25
| reply to pablo4
Re: Bandwith Usage
»www.vonage.com/help_knowledgeBas···gory=148
The Bandwidth Saver feature allows you to control the sound quality of your call to save valuable bandwidth. Customers with 128 Kbps connections often choose the Normal Sound Quality setting on our Dashboard. This saves bandwidth and still provides excellent call quality.
To activate the Bandwidth Saver Feature, access your web account and select the Features page:
Step Action
1.
Select the phone number you want the bandwidth saver to apply to.
2.
Click the Configure button located under Bandwidth Saver
3.
Select the white circle on the left-hand side under "30 Kbps" (or the Kbps setting of choice)
4.
Click Submit to save the selection
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»www.tricitybroadband.com |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: I love this quote...
And I loved this quote:said by the article:
Consumer VOIP providers such as Vonage make money by delivering their service over the last-mile networks of ISPs. ISPs do not share in that wealth. How is VOIP different from any other kind of pay service, such as streaming DI.FM music (monthly subscription), a porno site (monthly subscription), or online gaming (monthly subscription). In none of these cases does the ISP get a cut of anything other than what they charge for the circuit (monthly subscription).
This seems like really unprincipled reasoning to me.
Steve
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Karl Bode
I don't agree with port blocking or traffic filtering in general, but at least Clearwire put it in the material provided to customers, upfront. Seems that anyone truly "expecting their VoIP service to work" would seek an alternate provider which didn't have foolish terms of service such as "without limitation, block and allow traffic types as we see fit at any time." |
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | How long until...
VoIP providers set up an encrypted VPN tunnel between them and the end-user so the ISP can't identify VoIP traffic from other streaming data? |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | reply to Steve
Re: I love this quote...
It's not any different...not even in the most hair-splitting way.
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pablo4
Proud Owner Of The Cornballer
join:2004-08-11
Kanata, ON
1 edit | reply to batageek
Re: Bandwith Usage
I knew that.
My statement was more an observation than a request for technical help.
I am very familiar with my Vonage account and have played with many of the features.
All I am trying to say is that VoIP is not the bandwidth hog that ISP claim.
Its a red herring.
ISPs don't like VoIP customers because they demand a reliable network that provides consistent access to bandwidth, not large quantities of bandwidth. |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: I love this quote...
ISP == Internet Service Provider. As to what 'services' are provided is at the discretion of the ISP, no? As a customer and consumer you can take their version of a service offering or shove it. But that is exactly how many ISPs feel, and to a certain extent I agree. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | We dont want your business
So clearwire is saying that if you use 45k for voip on there system they dont want you. But if you visting high graphic sites they do. So if your only reason to get them for surfing and voip, they lost a customer. |
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bradleym
join:2002-08-05
Dunfermline, IL | reply to Karl Bode
Re: I love this quote...
The most absurd thing about that quote is the 'give it away' as if we're not actually PAYING for this 'service' that they invested in and built. This McClure guy is a lunatic. |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs:
| reply to Jason Levine
You know, I got Vonage to work on dial up once. Two modems shotgunned with internet sharing. It sounded like crap and was more proof of concept than utility. Still, was kind of interesting.  |
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xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs:  | reply to Steve
DI still offers free service...I don't use them, but I know they are there.
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4 More years and we won't have a country. |
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MontyMan
Premium
join:2004-08-16
Parkville, MD
| Doubletalk
This has nothing to do with high bandwidth applications or blocking traffic types. It is about partnering.
According to the Seattle Times, Clearwire has partnered with Bell Canada to provide VOIP over its network.
»seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b···tion=rss |
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xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
1 edit | Excuse me Cox?
I pay for access to the internet at $39.99 a month, that is their cut. If Cox HSI starts blocking VOIP then I walk as I will need to reconnect my land line and Verizon DSL is less expensive. Sure there is a bandwidth hit, but I need to recoup the increased cost for telephone service from somewhere else and that $10 a month looks like a good start.
And then back to Satalite for tele because that is $5.00 a month less as well and I still have the dish in the basement.
The fact is they get a cut, I need highspeed access to get the service to begin with, without the service I don't the access. And I will admit the companies do own the networks that we pay for access to, but as long as I do not break the law or run a business using my residential access, or impact the usage of other customers I see no reason to restict my usage and since it is my money paying for that access I can walk.
Customers can vote with their money and impact business decision by hurting revenue, it just seems like we are putting up with too much lately and just accepting it.
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