MichaelBoltn
Enjoy Your Stay
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join:2005-03-31
Vishnuland
| It won't be long
It won't be long before someone modifies BT to share tracker data via peers. I foresee a client with the ability to gather data on all available trackers with the address of a single tracker. After that, all that's needed is for the sites to use an RSS feed for their torrents and one would simply have to download all torrent information from every site and search their own records.
You'd never have to search for a tracker or site again. Once you're in the system, there'd be no need.
Too bad I can't program. 
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felixml
join:2003-02-19
Sherman Oaks, CA | still separate web sides |
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MichaelBoltn
Enjoy Your Stay
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join:2005-03-31
Vishnuland
| What?
Here's how my idea works:
- You type the address of a known tracker into your BT client.
- Along with all torrent data for that tracker, you also receive the IP addresses of other clients that are connected.
- Your BT client automatically requests tracker URLs and torrent info from the client IPs you got from the tracker.
Once you've been in the "system" for 5 minutes, you'd have more than enough tracker URLs to never need to visit another BT site again. You'd simply connect to more and more peers, continually gaining tracker URLs every time you connected.
- Your BT program would parse XML/RSS data from each tracker your client knows of. You could then search your new database of torrents for what you wanted.
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"I had this name before that no-talent ass clown got famous and started winning Grammys." - Me |
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Dont_Bogart
| That virus.... pass it onto someone else for good measure
Michale, there are a lot of theroy's about how to do this and some practical infomaiton on some of this information...
The real wrinkle is... at somepoint in time; you connect from some server / client into the backbone; and as all this informaiton whips around the global network, it can be tracked.
So..... the more folks try to hide who they are; the more the anonimity is going to disapear...
I'm not holding my breath on any of the techniques I've read about to thwart those who are distributing or permitting the distribution of illegal download / uploads.... eventually; it's going to be almost impossible to send somehting "Anonymously"....... perhas from a public library or something like that... but short of that...I'm not so sure.
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erectorset
@bellsouth.ne | I like anonymousness
Public libraries are great.
Or maybe this coffee shor perhaps |
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Kompressor
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join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | Don't visit ISOHunt using IE...
Otherwise you'll get a bunch of viruses. |
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vic102482
Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | What about Google Then?
Title. |
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internetlol2
join:2005-01-04
Fairfax, VA
| reply to Dont_Bogart
Re: It won't be long
I'm not too thrilled on the idea of a huge BT network where you can download from any tracker just by connecting to one. Private sites that restict access and track ratios are still more appealing to me, even if they don't offer up as much content. The speeds are actually better for everybody if you discourage leeching by the threat of a ban. (and you may not have noticed but there are A LOT of leeches on public swarms).
Is it reasonably to expect there to me more fakes and spoofs the larger the network? It's one thing to download a spoof of a 4 meg MP3, another thing entirely when it's a 4.7 gig DVD-R. |
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tc17
join:2003-08-14
| reply to MichaelBoltn
The Grokster case the Supreme court is currently hearing may have a lot to do with file sharing networks. Two lower Judges have already ruled them as legal (not necessarily the files, but the networks themself).
A lot of stuff on them is not illegal either.
The only reason these other file sharing torrent sites were shut down was not because of a court ruling, its because out of fear of being sued by the MPAA/RIAA. |
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Plexxxy
join:2003-02-02
West Palm Beach, FL
| TorrentSpy
ISOHunt blows...TorrentSpy.com is where it's at. We have the largest database of torrents on the planet, with constantly updated stats as well as a comments system; it doesn't get any better. Don't forget to check out our other search engine, IRCSpy.com.
We also have a wonderful forum where users who are new to the scene can gain helpful tips & advice or just hang out and chat. See you there
Plexy166 / Plexxxy |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
1 edit | reply to MichaelBoltn
Re: It won't be long
The way I see it, torrents will be managed in a fashion similar to the peer tracker idea. Because then all you need is a website that says "tracker with hash xxx is good" then you could search for that torrent and go for it.
Under this system, going to a website and reading plaintext does not in any way verify that a user downloaded that file. So if one of these websites was subpeonad, their records would show mountains of visits, but nobody that "has" the file. Also, a system of peers will do lots (but not guarantee it to be unlimited) for anonymity.
The only problem is that these indexes will be in the hands of EVERYBODY with a client, not just those hosting the torrents.
Any ideas along the lines of securing the peer torrent trackers' client. Ruining ones anonymity again simply requires downloading the client and searching. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
| I sure wish.....
I watch TV and enjoy programing from Great Brittain. One in particular "Time Team" from Channel 4 is played on History International Channel. I really enjoy this show. The problem is they are only showing a few older episodes and are re running them over and over again. Time Team is still in production and I would love to see newer episodes.
If their was a bit-torrent sit with this series I would go there. It would be nice to see some current English programing.
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haze_nme
join:2004-01-13
Tucson, AZ
| Wow Plexy
Is your opinion of TorrentSpy at all biased??? I have used both, and to tell you the truth both work fine. I actually find myself using ISOHunt more, but I only use public searches for obscure stuff, and that isn't very often.
Regarding the legit side of things, I submitted my band's demo to various Torrent sites, and indexed it with ISOHunt and TorrentSpy, and it has reached over 3000 people over the internet because of this. That is what I call P2P exposure. If these search engines get ruled illegal, then so should Google IMHO. |
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Plexxxy
join:2003-02-02
West Palm Beach, FL | Biased? ...who, me? No idea what you're talking about  |
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kywirelessgu
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join:2004-01-25
Nicholasville, KY
clubs: | reply to Plexxxy
Re: TorrentSpy
^^^ Ditto |
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Redmumba
join:2002-12-15
Roanoke, VA | Not Illegal
Since when are Torrent Search Engines illegal? In fact, when are TRACKERS illegal? They contain no illegal information, unless the name of the information being transferred is illegal... |
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fluffalump
@198.67.x.x
| reply to Fluker
Re: It won't be long
In the past month or so I have seen sites that are are already set up this way.
There is also one downloadable client (that I know of) that can gather this information on the fly and download the particular .torrent file you are looking for through a series of proxies. Unfortunately this currently does not work with personalized tracker files. The last few builds I have seen also let you run the torrent through a proxy but I have not been able to get this working properly yet. I believe the people that put out the software are eventually looking to turn this into a paid service. |
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DayHawk
join:2003-07-28
Canada
| reply to Plexxxy
Re: TorrentSpy
Torrentspy blows in reality...whenever I go they are either rebooting, down for maintenance or some other reason is stated for their ineptness. Isohunt has never been down for me, and has what appears to be realtime updating of tracking info...and did I say 5 trackers for most torrents? |
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Jack Spad
join:2005-02-12
canada
|  The Tracker
We all need a program that when installed makes your computer the tracker, That id would be one tracker url for all bittorrents, You load the program you load the tracker and we all have the same. You make a bittorent and use the same url as everyone. That way torrents can be posted anywhere, You don't have to be a member of a site to get the torrents, Every computer that has the file tracks it, Theres no central server, Put that on the net and the Music and Movie industry will no longer be able to sue or prosecute anyone. |
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haze_nme
join:2004-01-13
Tucson, AZ
| With the current CVS of Azureus you can use DHT to recieve seed/peer info. By default it will only track via DHT if the original tracker is down, but you can also create DHT-Only torrent files that don't use a central tracker at all. The problem is that some private sites need to have this feature turned off for their torrents in order for the site to remain private. The next official release of Azureus will be very nice for public torrents that share the same hash. There will be an optional flag set in the torrent file that will disable DHT tracking for that particular torrent. I know .torrent files are easily edited, but at least it will take a modification to the torrent to leak private seeds/peers to the DHT network. BitComet has been banned from some private sites because it will share seed/peer info by default even when the original tracker is up, with no way to disable it. It is very interesting to watch the BT Client devs adapt to the changing environment. |
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