griff1013
join:2002-01-10
Virginia Beach, VA
| Are you kidding me???
He should never see the outside of a jail for the rest of his entire life and all his property seized and sold to pay for his incarceration. Crimes like this need to be elevated to a much higher level and punishments increased at least 10-fold.
Look at it this way. Millions of fraudulent transactions. If each one was prosecuted as an individual crime, he would receive millions of years in jail. It is almost better to committ billions of these frauds and have the whole case become a reverse class action so he can get off with a lighter sentence. The more scams you pull, the less your sentence will be??? |
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Tomek
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Brooklyn, NY
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| American Justice system
To tell you the truth, American Justice system always surprises me. Recently I learned how skillfull lawyers present innocent victim as a criminal, only because they found some silly illogical law.
I don't think 9 years is too much, but they could give him restraining order on electronic devices for 10 years, 10000 community service. Fine=(Total Worth x2) and on top of that give only 2 years of dating with Bubba. That would be betiter.
Why Justice System amazes me. Criminals, like murderers, child molesters sometimes get less.
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Cyron
join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
| reply to griff1013
Re: Are you kidding me???
I think the prison sentence was a bit harsh. He probably should get 1-2 years, several years of probation (where he can't own or access a computer on the internet), and stripped of all money and/or property received from spam profits.
Just like non-violent drug offenders, these people really don't deserve to serve a prison sentence that has the same duration as violent criminals. |
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technick
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Loganville, GA
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As much as I hate spammers, I personally think that this penalty is really harsh, and counter productive. I would like to see the sentence dropped to 4-6 years, alot of community service, and stripped of all property that was funded by scams, and spam. Also 10-15 years probation.
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| Double the length and make it hard labor!
Then I might consider anything beyond that a little harsh. But he got of easy. We should offer him options: we could remove a certain appendage from his body as a trade-in for a shorter sentence.  |
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TKJunkMail
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| reply to griff1013
Re: Are you kidding me???
said by griff1013  :He should never see the outside of a jail for the rest of his entire life and all his property seized and sold to pay for his incarceration. Crimes like this need to be elevated to a much higher level and punishments increased at least 10-fold. I don't think the hard time was unfair. But I do think they should grab every cent he owns and turn him into a pauper. They were way too easy on him there.
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Mizfit
join:2002-06-05
Whitehall, PA | Techdirt and Betanews are obviously girly men.
I say, the sentence was too lax. How many people were scam'ed by that piece of scum? 9 years sounds like a cake walk for an obvious man lover like Mrs Jaynes... Death penalty!!! |
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captokita
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join:2005-02-22
Calabash, NC
| Too harsh?
Problem #1 is it's new territory......
How many people did this guy steal money from? He ought to pay for every email he sent out. Once he gets out from however long he's locked up, if at all, he'll go right back to it. This time he'll get a place in China, or Russia to run his spam/scam operation.
"So what has this taught you Mr. Spammer?"
"That spam is wrong..... and I'm sorry I did it."
-Heh, morons, all I learned was to cover my tracks a lot better, so I'll set up shop somewhere else. Hell, I'll live in the US and HIRE someone in China to run my spams, and just cash in on it from a private offshore acct.- |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
| reply to Cyron
Re: Are you kidding me???
Yeah, 9 years is harsh..
I would say 1 to 2 is more reasonable (he took alot of time from alot of individuals with his crap), he should be required to surrender 90% of his profits (seeing as we have decided they were illegally acquired), and probation ought to be in place to keep him from going at it again.
I've got to admit it's hard to be rational when every time I get a C1a1ss+V1agr4 mail I want to jump through the screen and thrash the box and guy that sent me that crap.
(Gmail is sweet- 5 months and not ONE unsolicited message!) |
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lefty1
join:2002-10-25
Clay, NY
| Sentence
Only 9 years? Seriously, I have no pity for him, even if the sentence had been 20 years. But I do think he should also have been fined an amount equal to any and all damages caused by his spam, including inconvenience and time. He couldn't pay it? So what; let him spend the rest of his life trying.
Criminal behavior has consequences, and the perpetrator should bear all of them. |
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Tono
join:2002-01-15
Glendale, AZ
| An eye for an eye
I think the 9 years is a bit much, and I do like th idea of a long probation, but with a twist...
in addition to a 1-2 year in prisons sentance, he shoudl get a very long probation period with community service.
His community service should be sifting through the thousands of spam messages everyday recieved by the poeple in his community. Each day there would 2-3 messages he must find in the pile of spam. For each day he misses one of those of those hidden messages, the DOJ would tack-on another day of probation 
Now, that would be an eye-for-an-eye....
Tono... |
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Lucky2
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| He did very well
Sentence will be reduced to 4-5 years with good behavior so $24 mil gain, he's getting to keep ~ $ 5 mil/year while the tax payers support him. Mike Milkin did better, took $2 billion gave back $1 billion and served 2 years. White collar crime pays very well, only the the masses suffer. |
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pstation
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join:2003-06-23
Indianapolis, IN | Let's not forget...
The guy is receiving a sentence this harsh because he was scamming people. |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
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Re: An eye for an eye
I've said this before and like this idea. Except that I'm not sure I'd want a convicted spammer reading my e-mail. (I wouldn't want anyone reading my e-mail except me -- and possibly my wife -- but especially not a spammer!)
Perhaps we could set up a dummy account, wait for the spammers to flood it with spam, and send 1 or 2 valid messages to it each day. If he finds the valid ones, he's successfully completed one day of probation. If not, that day doesn't count towards the completion of his probation. Oh, and he wouldn't be allowed to use any spam filtering tools to help himself. Just plain old Outlook Express on a Windows XP machine. 
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qdemn7
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| reply to Lucky2
Re: He did very well
Putting him in the slammer doesn't rally accomplish anything. He'll probably sit in the slammer and brood on his revenge.
Personally, I think he should be strung up on a post in a public square and given 100 lashes. I think that would get the point across much, much better. Then let him pick ups trash on highways for 2 years. That would really be doing some concrete good.
I'm quite serious about this. Not joking in the slightest.
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People (including myself) bi*ch and moan about spammers etc not being put in jail or punished, whatever.
Then as SOON as somebody gets a 9 year sentance, people (not including myself) start to bi*ch and moan about their sentance being too harsh.
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
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| New Sentencing Guidelines for Spammer/Scammers
Uh let's see.
Public flogging, that's good.
ALL assets seized, that's gotta happen to be fair.
2 years in the big house with possibility of parole.
Now for the scamming part.
Has to work 20 hours/week in a county home emptying bed pans or changing Depends for 5 years.
Can't get near the Internet for life. He so abused it he can never be trusted.
He has to wear one of those ankle things for 5 years because Martha made them so fashionable.
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W8ASA
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| reply to captokita
Private Offshore Account?
Those offshore accounts are becoming less and less private with each passing day. There will come a time when a government will have complete access to all transactions to and from its country, because of the huge tax losses it knows it's incurring. No question about that. To say that some guy in China will just run his operation for him is naive. That guy in China (or wherever) would eventually figure out how to run the scam operation himself, or skim the profits. After all, there really is no honor among thieves.
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Kearnstd
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to griff1013
Re: Are you kidding me???
yea when i get a crapload of spam i wish i could track down the spammer, shoot them in the legs and arms and then leave them in death valley for the Vultures(provided Vultures would eat their own dead)
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