jmcd088
join:2005-02-08
Reading, PA | Sounds good...
But it will prob come to my area last because broadband hates me. |
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Gunslinger03
join:2004-07-09
Chesapeake, VA | Nice Speeds
Wow. 100Mbps symmetrical over VDSL2...that is amazing. Why again is fiber being rolled out? |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | sanity has arrived
Finally a workable product. The length requirements are killing the bells, and at least this is a step in the right direction..
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Liberalism weakening The USA everyday... |
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alfnoid
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-18 | over multiple copper pairs
"over multiple copper pairs"
this means there will be at least half the lines out there available now
peace |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Bellsouth
I'm really curious to see if BellSouth wises up and heads the VDSL2 direction, or if they're going to stick to their FTTN, then ADSL2+ to the home plans, doling out a paltry...what was it....4-8Mbps at first? |
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starstuff
Fly By Wire
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX
| reply to jmcd088
Re: Sounds good...
Read to the end... it reads Ready for immediate deployment, the new VDSL2 Recommendation (ITU-T G.993.2), will continue to foster competitive global markets for high-speed equipment, assuring a level playing field for developers and vendors.
I wonder if it is true. |
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DONKEYKONG01
join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA | reply to alfnoid
Re: over multiple copper pairs
Do they mean 4 copper wires instead of the 2 wires currently being used? Interesting, that would indeed boost downstream, upstream, and increase distance greatly. |
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starstuff
Fly By Wire
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX | reply to alfnoid
I'm thinking about this too, how many are 'multiple pairs', two, three, four? How fast with only one pair? |
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webnetwiz
There's no place like 127.0.0.1
Premium
join:2004-09-22
Van Nuys, CA | reply to Gunslinger03
Re: Nice Speeds
Because fiber can do gig speeds in the future, and one copper pair won't. |
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| reply to Gunslinger03
100mbps will be used up rather quickly when you want to stream multipe HD channels into your home, use VoIP telephony, and when your kitchen appliances are all IP-aware.
Fiber with DWDM, on the other hand, can eventually be upped to hundreds of gigabits or even terrabits per second without replacing the fiber. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to Karl Bode
Re: Bellsouth
If i remember right VDSL2 and ADSL2+ are very similar and require little change to switch.I could be wrong thou its been awhile since i read up on it |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | reply to starstuff
Re: Sounds good...
Doesn't matter what the end says, everyone knows that ISP's like to drag their feet when it comes to deployment. |
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informer4523
@wi.us | bellsouth and vdsl
bellsouth is starting vsdl in october..the highest tier now will be 9mb/3mb |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to webnetwiz
Re: Nice Speeds
People want it all right now but when the providers says to the consumer "open your pocket book" what do you say?
I thought so.
VDSL2 is a great option for the company in the current landscape of the industry. People say "why VDSL2 if fiber can do gig speeds?" If they could do gig speeds, then why not do it now? Why wait? People, it COSTS MONEY to put these speeds through the pipes. What, do you want to over power that little thing called the backbone?
People want everything! Hey, BROADBAND IS STILL NEW! Remember? What did you ahve 5 years ago? For many, it was still dial up! Let's get real.
Ask yourself this.. if you had the ability to run SBC or Charter, or Verizon even, would you do a large fiber deployment now? If it were me? NO! I would find th cheapest way to deploy the fastest speeds possible in the least amount of time. There is no real way to see into the bb future. Billions people! Billions of dollars to lay fiber. Everyone runs it, now what? Now every company has debt. To pay that debt off, they need paying customers; customers who will pay the price for a fiber line. From what I can tell in these forums, not many here would be willing to pay the REAL price of providing brandband services.
Ever wonder why there is a bundled price for bb service? It's because multiple product hits help subsidize the cost of actually deploying the service. Also, a company has to keep a customer an average of 18 months JUST TO BREAK EVEN!
You guys are asking too much for fiber right now. It's just too much too soon. In time, people will see fiber, but I don't think you will see it as a norm pipeline widespread for at least 25 years or so.
Now, you say fiber can do gig speeds and copper pair won't.. says you? We never thought that copper pair would do more than 28.8... even 56k.. when DSL rolled out, we thought that 1.5 and 15,000 feet would be the limit of that technolody. Proved many people wrong eh?
Anyone here that says "can't" or "won't" is a fool themselves. You don't know what technology could bring.
In all honesty, I think many people here live in a dream world and not reality.
One question to aks you all.. if 100mb came out, what are you willing to pay for it? and what would you expect for that money? My guess is that most people would hope that it was $20 a month and had an uptime of 99.9% (which far exceeds even business class service) |
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ugh 21
@comcast.net | Is everyone missing this?
Up to 12,000 feet. Whoop-de-do. Plain vanilla DSL can make it farther than that. So what? A future standard that even fewer people will qualify for than today's standard. |
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webnetwiz
There's no place like 127.0.0.1
Premium
join:2004-09-22
Van Nuys, CA
| reply to vpoko
Re: Nice Speeds
You nailed it my friend! A company like Verizon can't think about rolling out VDSL2 and enjoy the technology for 5 years and then find that it no longer meets the demands. If you're a huge telecom company, you have to think ahead and be pro-active rather than re-active! Verizon is going to deploy fiber and be done with infrastructure for the next decade at least, and not worry about providing any type of HSI or IPTV or whatever, they're DONE! While SBC and Bellsouth will cringe along with ADSL2+, then maybe VDSL2, and keep spending money on aging copper and upgrades to DSLAMs that aggregate your copper pairs to a fiber link to their backbones. Fiber to the home was a right solution. Yes, it's more money spent now, but it's the return on your money not having to upgrade every few years. Someone at Verizon was thinking about the future, and not just looking good to the Wall Street or shareholders. The fact that they're rolling out FTTH in rich neighborhoods that can afford it, that's a whole different topic. |
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
1 edit | reply to fiberguy
You make good points, but they're not related to the thread you're replying to.
The question wasn't "Why VDSL2 when we can have fiber?", the question was "Why fiber when we can have VDSL2?" |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to ugh 21
Re: Is everyone missing this?
Ah yes, but that 12,000 feet is from the fiber node, not the CO. Did you even bother to read the standard? "Plain vanilla DSL" can't do 100 megabits symmetrical at any distance.
You seem to be missing the facts. |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | reply to informer4523
Re: bellsouth and vdsl
And where is this published? And why are you mentioning VDSL when the tpoic is VDSL2? |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to vpoko
Re: Nice Speeds
'100mbps will be used up rather quickly when you want to stream multipe HD channels into your home, use VoIP telephony, and when your kitchen appliances are all IP-aware.'
Then provision another twisted pair. Voila. |
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