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Comments on news posted 2005-06-18 14:02:38: According to the Wall Street Journal (via Slashdot), marketing execs are launching a new campaign to improve the public image of cookies. ..

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Mr Fuji
@69.156.x.x

Mr Fuji

Anon

Meh

Personally i always delete all of my cookies after an internet session.

I know that the majority of them are harmless but i prefer to have a clean machine each time that i log on the net.I know that some sites do not like that we constantly delete them but meh , they will have to live with it.:D

There is absolutely no point in this "lets improve the image of cookies" campaign for the simple fact that the majority of mainstream users probably don't even know what a cookie is in the first place.

Waste of time and money imo
hadirtyJlo
join:2004-03-31
Elk Grove, CA

hadirtyJlo

Member

Re: Meh

I personally like cookies, especially Nestle Toll House. So soft and chewy.

techjoe
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join:2004-02-20
Lombard, IL

techjoe

Premium Member

Re: Meh

said by hadirtyJlo:

I personally like cookies, especially Nestle Toll House. So soft and chewy.
But are they good for you??

lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU

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lazarus_

Member

Re: Meh

said by techjoe:

said by hadirtyJlo:

I personally like cookies, especially Nestle Toll House. So soft and chewy.
But are they good for you??
Not If it has trans fat.
Megladon13
join:2003-09-05
Minneapolis, MN

Megladon13

Member

Re: Meh

yea now we're just making crap up.
This post now has 0 grams of aluminum fat

some guy
@dsl.milwwi.ameritech

some guy

Anon

Re: Meh

trans fat is a buzzword to draw in morons

as if the saturated fat that contains no trans fat somehow becomes healthy

dfc888
Premium Member
join:2003-07-22
San Bruno, CA

dfc888 to hadirtyJlo

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to hadirtyJlo
mMmmm I like OREOS and Chips Ahoy!
MrBentor
join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA

1 recommendation

MrBentor to Mr Fuji

Member

to Mr Fuji

Such tactics are committing unethical, illegal and

They say (generically) that "The user is not proficient enough in technology to know if the cookie is good or bad, or how it works," and since I am a user I am not proficient? I have 20 years experience with this stuff, hell I used a modified teletype machine to get email and Usenet in the mid '80s. I've been around the net since well before we had web browsers and the HTTP protocol. And they say that because I delete cookies I am dumb and not proficient?

You delete files - the reason is irrelevant - they a on your computer , that is all that matters. A third party comes along and “undeletes” a file that you deleted? That is patently unauthorized access.

I publicly charge that:

* and any person, company or entity who creates, publishes, and uses such tactics are committing unethical, illegal and tortuous acts.

* such remote undeletion (software) violates the following (inclusive but not limited to):

- 18 U.S.C. 1029, Unauthorized network access.
- 18 U.S.C. 1030, Computer Fraud
- 18 U.S.C. 2701, et.seq, Violations of Electronic Communications Act

BonezX
Basement Dweller
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join:2004-04-13
Canada

BonezX

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Re: Such tactics are committing unethical, illegal

and they have been doing this for years.

and the same thing is done by the **AA's
ross7
join:2000-08-16

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to MrBentor
er...that would be tortious acts...though I can sympathize with your leap to subjective juxtaposition of effect versus legal exactitude.

a
@qwest.net

a to Mr Fuji

Anon

to Mr Fuji

Re: Meh

the user ( the general public being computer illiterate ) is not proficient enough in technology to know if the cookie is good or bad, or how it works," according to the CEO.

any ?'s other then how in the hell did they get a valid drivers license?

dfc888
Premium Member
join:2003-07-22
San Bruno, CA

dfc888

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Hilarious!

I only let my system store trusted websites' cookies! The rest gets deleted after I close my browser!

hurleyp
join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON

hurleyp

Member

Re: Hilarious!

Yes. I-am-in-need-of-re-education. Please-re-educate-me!

a
@rr.com

a

Anon

Re: Hilarious!

Hmmm... Isn't this what's done in China to Political disidents. I like the term reeducation. LOL.

alien9999999
Your Head Looks Nice
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alien9999999 to dfc888

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I keep all my cookies, i'd prefer if more sites with logging in features would use cookies... i can't be bothered to know all these passwords in my head...

dfc888
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join:2003-07-22
San Bruno, CA

dfc888

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Re: Hilarious!

said by dfc888:

trusted websites
:p
Megladon13
join:2003-09-05
Minneapolis, MN

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to dfc888
Hopefuly your idea of "trusted" websites is different then aol's idea of "trusted".

dfc888
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San Bruno, CA

dfc888

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Re: Hilarious!

I use IE. I manually type in "allowed" addresses (DSLR for example)

DSLR CAN be trusted right?!
AOHell is retarded. Netscape died for me.

MacGyver

join:2001-10-14
Vancouver, BC

MacGyver

Yum

New chocolate chip oatmeal peanut butter cookies with zero trans fat. Eat as many as you want, they're good for you?

Happyrat6
Google Is Your Best Friend
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Disneyland

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Happyrat6

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Mine expire after 30 days...

Long enough that I don't have to relog into every website account more often than once a month, but not so that the little buggers accumulate on my computer like barnacles on a ship's hull. Frankly I'm not THAT concerned about where I surf, but I still don't need a file with doubleclick that extends back to the jurassic period

Oh yeah, and I also don't accept third party cookies at all.

POB
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Stepford, CA

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POB

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Marketing Morons, Inc.

Laughable. Cookies are good for you the way polyunsaturated fat, cholesterol, nicotine and alcohol are. Somebody better tell these fools that train has already left the station and it ain't coming back. Even clueless n00bs know better than to trust cookies no matter how much propaganda gets pumped out by the sludge dispenser marketing execs.

Anonymous_
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Anonymous_

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bull

there just saying this so they can track us

phxmark
What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ

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phxmark

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All....

...your cookies belong to us.

Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX

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Doctor Four

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Marketers: BITE MY SHINY METAL...

A few weeks ago when that United Virtualities story was
covered, and their CEO, Mookie Tanenbaum made the statement
that users weren't technically proficient enough to tell
good cookies from bad ones, Mike Healan of SpywareInfo in
one of his Spyware Weekly newsletters fired back with the
following:

"In the immortal words of Bender the robot, Bite My Shiny
Metal... You get the point."

Marketers must be among the most clueless people on the
entire planet. They still don't get it. If there's one
thing that's highly valued on the Internet, its privacy.

And I would respond to their latest campaign with the
very same words uttered by the Futurama robot.
GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA

GhostDoggy

Member

Re: Marketers: BITE MY SHINY METAL...

"Its not so shiny!"

Rubicon6
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join:2001-02-20
Philly

Rubicon6

Premium Member

and so are Javascripts :)

Java and COokies. mmmmm

exocet_cm
Writing
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join:2003-03-23
Brooklyn, NY

exocet_cm

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Re: and so are Javascripts :)

Why'd you say something? Now I'm off making coffee and finding cookies.

Thanks alot...

javaMan
The Dude abides.
MVM
join:2002-07-15
San Luis Obispo, CA

javaMan

MVM

Some people just don't get it.

More than anything else it's the attitude of people like Mookie Tanenbaum and his PIE concept who make the case for those who don't trust cookies. They just don't get it. You do not have the right to place something on my computer that I cannot remove if I make the decision to do so.

Viper007Bond
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join:2002-09-26
Portland, OR

Viper007Bond

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They're right

Sorry, but they're right. Cookies are good. I especially like chocolate chip ones.

biff420
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join:2002-01-26
Vallejo, CA
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biff420

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The only good cookie, is a deleted cookie

These marketers don't seem to understand that
people DON'T like being marketed to in the first
place.

You'd think they'd get the hint now that major ISP's
marketing is showing how evil popups are, and that
they block them better than brand X.

The longer a computer user has his rig, the more control
he will exert over it, and begin to delete more cookies,
spyware, etc.

As he begins to peruse BBR, he's going to see HOSTS file,
and see how it blocks ads.

I always instruct users to use HOSTS files, and other ad/spyware blocking software.

These marketers have hurt themselves by insisting on spending obscene amounts of money to create ads we block.

So a new battle line is being drawn with "cookies are your
friends". LOL! Good luck!

TechyDad
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join:2001-07-13
USA

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TechyDad

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Re: The only good cookie, is a deleted cookie

Actually, I don't mind being marketed to so long as it's not annoying. I also don't mind cookies (of the non 3rd party kind) so long as they serve a useful function on the site. (For example, keeping me logged into BBR.) I also don't mind JavaScript as it can take a useful site (say, Google) and make it much more useful (for example, Google Suggest). And, yes, even Flash can be nice.

That said, everything I mentioned above can be misused, overused, and mishandled. Marketing can turn into pop-up/under/in ads. Cookies can turn into silent tracers designed to help a marketing firm learn everything about you. JavaScript can make those annoying mouse trails that follow the cursor on badly designed websites. And Flash can be used to make a one page informational site into a "multimedia extravaganza" that hides the real content.

That's why I have Maxthon set to block pop-up/under ads, but I let normal ads through. I allow cookies on a site by site basis. (Although a site might be white or black listed depending on whether they annoy me or prove to me that their cookies are essential.) I allow JavaScript, but stand at the ready to have Maxthon deny it from running. Lastly, I deny Flash (as well as all ActiveX) from running but am ready to let it run on a case by case basis.
gukid
join:2005-05-17

gukid

Member

Honstely,

I do the same thing with web cookies that I do with real cookies, get rid of them before they go bad.
Damon85
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join:2004-12-25
Houston, TX

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Damon85

Premium Member

Actually...

This is sort of okay, it's just bad people doing it for bad reasons. Being in web development on a big site, we get lots of complaints from people who can't get session-specific features of our site to work because they constantly delete our cookies because spyware scanners paint them as filthy little things that are chewing away at their computer.

Users have been just as misinformed that cookies are viral programs waiting in the dark to chew their computer apart, and that's not true either.

If it takes marketing to give cookies a bit less of a nasty image, then so be it. I doubt it'll work considering where the push is coming from, but I'm sure we will continue to take the blame for broken features when people do things they don't quite understand (as usual and always, of course).

•••••

ctceo
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join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN

ctceo

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Class Action

How many signatures do we need to get before we can file for class action status? I say that their use of words is committing not only defamation, but their product is guilty of the aforementioned charges. Lets start a digital movement here people.

hpguru
Curb Your Dogma
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hpguru

Premium Member

OK! OK!

They can have my cookies. After Proxomitron gets finished doctoring them. :D

Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX

Doctor Four

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Re: OK! OK!

said by hpguru:

They can have my cookies. After Proxomitron gets finished doctoring them. :D
Tracking cookies? What tracking cookies? Your hosts file
keeps a lot of them from even being written in the first
place (though I use the MVPS one). But a few can still
sneak in through javascript or flash. For those, I also
block javascript in Ad Subtract Pro, which is based on
Proxomitron's code. I still use the 2.55 version as ASP 3
doesn't seem to play too well with Mozilla.

Varlik
Without Honor You Will Never Be Free
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join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC

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Varlik

Premium Member

Cookies are Good for You.....

Riiiiiight! And crap tastes like Chocolate.:p As others have said I only allow cookies from those sites I use and trust on a regular basis. As for the rest well I toss my cookies. Get it? Toss My cookies.

dualsmp
join:2001-08-25
Charlotte, NC

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dualsmp

Member

Eat your cookies...

...and drink your kool-aid


MagMan
Life is simpler when you tell the truth.
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join:2003-10-01
Westlake, OH

MagMan

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Bull!!

If that is not the biggest bunch of bull I have ever heard I don't what is:D

rocke868
join:2005-01-22
Groveland, IL

rocke868

Member

yum


t3freak
join:2004-04-11
New Port Richey, FL

t3freak

Member

Re: yum

Many cookies are an invasion of my privacy. Mine are always shredded after the session and RoboForm jumps into action when I need to login.:D
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