MrPot
@comcast.net | The Pot calling the Kettle black
Right! I'm stuck with over priced cable ,And Verizon doesn't know what a DSL line is! ..I'll be quick to jump on Wimax! |
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Luker3
join:2004-10-09
Blacksburg, VA
| Oh, I see...
I guess Cisco has decided that they will wire the rest of the county free of charge.
98% of population already going to be 'highly wired' Lets examine this quote...
- Mr. Giancarlo says this as if 98% of people will be "wired" before WiMAX starts catching on. I am pretty sure that we won't have 98% of anything related to broadband BEFORE WiMAX.
- He states "highly wired", which could mean that many people will have different wire options to choose from, or he incorrectly used a percentage (Stated, provable number of somthing) with an opinion on how wired the population will be, to create a confusing sentence with no real direction. |
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gh4456
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA | 98% of the developed world will be highly wired.
Maybe he doesn't consider rural america part of the developed world
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Topmounter
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | reply to Luker3
Tell that to DirecTV and Echostar... providing a competitive alternative to "wired" cable operators has proven to be a pretty good business model for them.
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kevini
Premium
join:2002-08-26
Fremont, CA | Um tell it to people in 3rd world countries who have monopoly phone companies.
WiMax is a dream come true. |
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cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| Cisco misses boat again
Not a big suprise here, Cisco missed the boat on the use of WiFi for WISPs so it will again do so with WiMax.
Cisco had probably the best radio out there for a WISP with it's aironet series but has never really modernized it for that type of use. |
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
1 edit | Speak for yourself
Out here in the country, we're not 'highly wired' for internet, we're barely wired for phone service. DSL doesn't reach here, and cable is 2 miles away, with no indication that they have any intention of further rollouts, ever. Fiber won't be here for 5-10 years at least, and satellite is at best a bandage on a sucking chest wound.
Even the people down in town only have a choice between craptacular Frontier DSL, and unreliable Roadrunner cable. And this isn't exactly in the middle of Utah somewhere--this is upstate NY.
Even if EVDO or UMTS ever makes it out this far, that's still only 300 Kbits, compared to tens of Mbits from WiMax. 300 Kbits isn't an acceptable home connection, let alone business. |
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evoxfan
Waiting On Dsl Or Cable
join:2004-02-12
Daleville, AL
| Re: Speak for yourself, you dick.
said by FightingBlue:
Even if EVDO or UMTS ever makes it out this far, that's still only 300 Kbits, compared to tens of Mbits from WiMax. 300 Kbits isn't an acceptable home connection, let alone business.
Verizon's EVDO has an invisible cap at around 100MB per month too. Not to mention the $80 a month for it. No, EVDO nor satellite is acceptable options for broadband.
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Stupid
Fixed wirelss for the last mine? Sounds stupid as shit to me. It would make sence for those living in an area without broadband, but im not going to ditch my wired life for wireless. |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
1 edit | said by DaMaGeINC  :Fixed wirelss for the last mine? Sounds stupid as shit to me. It would make sence for those living in an area without broadband, but im not going to ditch my wired life for wireless. You might have better alternatives... Fine. But calling it stupid is rather short sighted...
WiMax will be a real good alternative for rural America where density makes it prohibitively costly to provide a viable wired connection.
Also, the next version of WiMax will be a mobile technology very much like cellular data. You will be able to take your home WiMax service and use it elsewhere. It provides much higher upstream bandwidths than so-called (and overly expensive) 3G technologies provide.
The reason Cisco is bashing WiMax because they are behind in their efforts and it is "not invented here" syndrome... Please note that they are not dissing on technological grounds. They are dissing on political grounds which is in fact not true.
FCC should stop pushing BPL and concentrate on a more viable WiMax technology. |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs:
 ·Charter Pipeline
 ·AT&T Southeast
| Its wireless. Thus subject to MAJOR interfearence. 802.11 wireless is unrealiable itself, now haveing a fixed wireless connection isent going to be much different. Its like, "dammit, why do I have 30% loss during a T-Storm, or some idiot with a microwave running 24/7"
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insomx
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Canada | reply to FightingBlue
Re: Speak for yourself
If you want internet, move to the city. People should stop complaining. Its just like wanting to go to town in 4 mins for groceries, move to town.
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GTEK
join:2005-06-21
Portland, TX
| reply to DaMaGeINC
Re: Stupid
said by DaMaGeINC :Its like, "dammit, why do I have 30% loss during a T-Storm, or some idiot with a microwave running 24/7" I'm on wireless and my connection never drops during a thunderstorm, and i'm about 3 miles from my ISP. My pings are about 50ms on game servers and there is no packet loss whatsoever. I would not down wireless, the technology is there. |
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schnuggles
Stays Crunchy In Milk
join:2003-06-07
Deming, NM
|  reply to insomx
Re: Speak for yourself
I assume this was merely a flippant remark. You surely must realize that relocating for broadband is simply not feasible for many. The reasons may be financial, employment (a different financial), or family needs, but in any case it's just not a simple issue.
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
1 edit | reply to DaMaGeINC
Re: Stupid
said by DaMaGeINC :Its wireless. Thus subject to MAJOR interfearence. 802.11 wireless is unrealiable itself, now haveing a fixed wireless connection isent going to be much different. Its like, "dammit, why do I have 30% loss during a T-Storm, or some idiot with a microwave running 24/7" This technology is significantly different than 802.11 and the wide area deployment will be on special band as opposed to unlicensed bands. FCC has reserved 3.5Ghz band exclusively for this type of communications. So, interference from your Wi-Fi, Bluetooth etc. devices is non-issue.
Sure wireless is never going to be 100% reliable if you are at the outskirts but it is much better alternative to Satellite and expensive cell Phone data (with much more limited bandwidth) and definitely technically much more sound than BPL.
If you have access to wired infrastructure use it. Nevertheless, WiMax creates broadband opportunities for a lot of unwired people (which you seem to conventintly ignore) and opens up some possibilities for low cost mobile data access for others. Those unwired people live in rural and low density communities where the only solution is either dial-up at 26.4kbps or satellite with extremely high ping rates and strict low bandwidth caps. They deserve better.
Every technology has its strengts and weaknesses. Your wired connection has the weakness of being non-portable and requiring much higher infrastructure costs to deploy. There is definitely a place for WiMax.
It is a technically sound technology. |
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shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
| reply to DaMaGeINC
wimax doesn't use the same frequency band as WiFI or of microwave ovens. t-storms will most likely not interfere, it would around 28 mhz and lower bands, am radio, etc
companies such as towerstream already offer this service and in certain cases can be the same or more reliable than a T1 line.
i work for a network services company and we deploy pt2pt cisco wireless over several miles and these work great, provide more bandwidth, ROI, and reliability. |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| reply to schnuggles
Re: Speak for yourself
said by schnuggles :I assume this was merely a flippant remark. Naw, it was just a stupid remark.
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs:
·Charter Pipeline
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to DaMaGeINC
Re: Stupid
Wireless is great. I use it and home and get great results. But it can never be as reliable as a wired solution. If you say, that wired is 95% reliable, then wireless will be no where near that. I KNOW its better than SAT, anything is better than SAT, even dialup. lol
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bradleym
join:2002-08-05
Dunfermline, IL
·Mediacom
| reply to DaMaGeINC
I had fixed wireless before Mediacom came around. I was about 6 miles away from the tower, but the yagi on top of my house had 'near' line of site. The service worked great, and the bridge on my end was nothing more than a Linksys wet11 modified for power over ethernet. I had a reliable 384/256 connection long before traditional providers even considered wiring my little town. |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| reply to DaMaGeINC
said by DaMaGeINC :Its wireless. Thus subject to MAJOR interfearence. Yep, that is why engineers "over build" their links.
said by DaMaGeINC :802.11 wireless is unrealiable itself, It is if you are clueless about how to use it. If you are somewhat clued you will find it is generally reliable, even low end SOHO units are pretty much four nines or better.
said by DaMaGeINC : now haveing a fixed wireless connection isent going to be much different. Actually it will be even more reliable if it is built properly. Apparently you don't realize that nearly every telephone call you make goes across a PtP microwave link somewhere.
said by DaMaGeINC : Its like, "dammit, why do I have 30% loss during a T-Storm, or some idiot with a microwave running 24/7" Naw, It's like you *don't* have 30% loss during thunderstorms, and some idoit running a microwave 24/7 will be a problem for about eight hours.
Reality check DaMaGeINC, all wireless is not the same and even wired links go down...
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