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Puyallup, WA | Re: *sigh* This sucks.
It makes no sense. Why on earth would MS do something so stupid like this that would create a PR nightmare? The ONLY thing they can now do to put out the fire is to shut down that company when they buy it. | |
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Lincoln, NE | Re: *sigh* I think someone put it best when they claimed that Microsoft is just running out of good ideas in regards to what to do with their money. | |
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| | WasntMe4Premium
join:2003-11-12
Richmond, VA | Time to uninstall MS AntiSpy! With all the news about downgrades, seems that I can't trust it now. Back to the old stalwarts, AD-Aware and SpyBot.
Figures that MS bought Giant (my favorite and by far the best IMO) and now they screw it over by making it junk through downgrades. GOD that's aggravating! | |
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| | Angry This kind of crap pisses me off. For the love of God, WE NEED LEGISLATION!! Make this crap illegal...end users are sick of this runaround masquerade. | |
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All we can do is sit and wait too many times jumped off handel with out the right information and was stung | |
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| ArchAngel21xWaiting For iPhone 5Premium
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Lincoln, NE | Re: Does this really surprise Actually yes. Me. This is just really bad PR, and Microsoft just paid for it. What company in their right mind pays for something that is going to cost them credibility. *Shakes head* | |
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| | | | Re: Does this really surprise Me too. One of Microsoft's strongest suits is supposed to be marketing. You'd think that their PR department would see this for the horrible, reputation-destroying move that it is. | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise said by Jason Levine:Me too. One of Microsoft's strongest suits is supposed to be marketing. You'd think that their PR department would see this for the horrible, reputation-destroying move that it is. Oh, the suits have done the CBA, there's no doubt about that; and the bottom line is they have enough market currency to get away with just about anything. It's called hubris, and it usually goeth before a fall. And don't underestimate the ability of our chickenshit press NOT to relay pertinent information when there's another kidnapping to cover.
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Houma, LA | One more reason to be cautious of using MSAS Nuff said. | |
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Dallas, TX |  Goodbye MSAS - I thought you could be trusted
test run as the only other spyware removal tool I had was
Spybot Search & Destroy. Well with this ominous news, I
find I can no longer trust their anti-spyware. I also am
having a hard time trusting anything from them that is post-
Claria acquisition (such as Longhorn). Add that to TCPA, and
the current XP SP1 install I have is going to be the last
for a very long time if at all.
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|  redxiiPremium,Mod
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Sherwood, MI | Re: Goodbye MSAS - I thought you could be trusted What's wrong with SP2? | |
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|  phxmarkWhat Country Are We Living In?
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Glendale, AZ | Do't you mean goodby MS period? I really hope Apple releases OS X for other Intel/AMD based systems. I would love to have OS X running on my 2.5 GHz Dell Laptop.
If Apple is pursuaded to releas OS X for all x86 systems, all my machines here at home will be running it!!
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Cedar Hill, TX | Re: Goodbye MSAS - I thought you could be trusted said by phxmark:Do't you mean goodby MS period? I really hope Apple releases OS X for other Intel/AMD based systems. I would love to have OS X running on my 2.5 GHz Dell Laptop. If Apple is pursuaded to releas OS X for all x86 systems, all my machines here at home will be running it!! Too bad it's not going to happen.
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Alexandria, VA | said by antwanp:said by phxmark:Do't you mean goodby MS period? I really hope Apple releases OS X for other Intel/AMD based systems. I would love to have OS X running on my 2.5 GHz Dell Laptop. If Apple is pursuaded to releas OS X for all x86 systems, all my machines here at home will be running it!! Too bad it's not going to happen. -Antwan L. That depends on whether Apple finally ever truly realizes that the money isn't in hardware but in software.
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I really hope Apple releases OS X for other Intel/AMD based systems. I would love to have OS X running on my 2.5 GHz Dell Laptop.
Why? So you could have a great OS on a POS computer? Dell is the worst PC vendor in existance. | |
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Fayetteville, AR | Re: Goodbye MSAS - I thought you could be trusted said by theeinstein:Why are they the worst PC vendor in exsistance? Because Gateway and HP are so much better. (sarcasm) | |
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Sedro Woolley, WA | I don't think Apple will release OS X for "Windows machines."
Apple is a hardware company and they are out there to sell hardware. The OS and all the software is there to help sell hardware. And that's straight from Jobs' mouth.
I may be wrong on this since Jobs does whatever he must in order to make money...but I would be surprised if it happened.
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| |  DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
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Round Rock, TX | said by phxmark:Do't you mean goodby MS period? I really hope Apple releases OS X for other Intel/AMD based systems. I would love to have OS X running on my 2.5 GHz Dell Laptop. The fact that Apple has switched to Intel processor does not mean hardware will be a Wintel compatible one. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Time for a downgrade of my own. I'm going to downgrade my usage and recommendation of Microsoft Antispyware... it's going from "Okay" to "avoid" | |
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| | | Re: Time for a downgrade of my own. good point same thing happened to me when there a lot of noise about ad-aware skipping some bugs, i just stopped using it, simple - what the hell are these 'good' guys doing business with the bad ones - there is no other reason then bribes and stuff like this - more reason to move to linux if it was organized and had the legal rights to use fonts and stuff like this but there is hope at least with MAC now going for x86 | |
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| | par for the course................ i used it one time and uninstalled it. i will stick with my ad aware | |
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Coldwater, MI | Re: par for the course................ Ahhh yes, the same AdAware that abruptly removed detections for WhenU... then when called out about it in public, released a patch to fix it... then got called out in public again for the patch not doing anything to actually start detecting WhenU again.. until they finally released somethig to REALLY begin detecting it again?
Yeah... great choice there... hope you feel safe now. | |
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| Another One bites the Dust First Adaware now MSGiant.
What a sad state of affairs that MS needs to pull this shit and lower their standards well preaching Security is number one on their list of concerns. I hope the wire networks pick up on this story and bring MS to task.
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|  mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
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North Babylon, NY | Re: Another One bites the Dust Hypocrisy at it's best..  | |
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Corona, CA | Bye Microsucks... ...nice knowin' ya. You've now joined Lavasucks on my asshat list. | |
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| | | Re: Bye Microsucks... Great way to destroy a perfectly good spyware scanner MS! Needless to say it no longer is resident on my HD.  | |
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| Buying The Antidote & The Poison? I had a feeling that Microsoft would be paid to take a few definitions out if the price is right, but I never anticipated them buying an adware company. This is after they buy an anti-adware company. Are they just trying to make a lot of money by playing on both sides of the fence?
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1 edit | Re: Buying The Antidote & The Poison? said by ArchAngel21x:I had a feeling that Microsoft would be paid to take a few definitions out if the price is right, but I never anticipated them buying an adware company. This is after they buy an anti-adware company. Are they just trying to make a lot of money by playing on both sides of the fence? I do not think MS buying this company for spyware distribution. If it is indeed true (I mean MS acquiring this company), they must have a patent or something other that is valueable for MS.
Actually, if MS is buying them for another stuff, there may be a good coming from that. We can at least eliminate Gator and other scapware infectious sofware from this company for good. | |
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Wichita, KS | I love... I just love how everyone just jumps to conclusions that since MS lowered the detection of Claria it's automatically bad. This is the company that is rumored to be buying them out. Perhaps they are shutting them down and putting to claria programmers to work on something else. Also they could use come of the Gator software to help with updates or something like that. It's not always the end of the world. Geez lighten up people.:)
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kudos:8 | What MSAS Should Be. May I recommend Counterspy. It is what MSAS should have been. Counterspy was Giant repackaged. It can run on Win9x and they are committed to keeping the program working for those users in future versions. They have not lowered the definitions for Claria and in addition to the Giant updates they also add their own.
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2 edits | Updated Info Hi All:
For those who haven't visited our discussion of this topic in the Security forum, I should note that it now appears the Claria detections were "downgraded" much earlier than the 7/1 update (#5731) -- at the very latest by 6/2 (#5723).
The Sunbelt blog provides more information:
»sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/07···ore.html
See also this table summary of some quick & dirty testing that I did with Claria's apps and several major anti-spyware applications:
»www.spywarewarrior.com/elh/clari···ions.htm
Edit: Sunbelt has updated its blog entry. Sunbelt is now reporting that the Claria detections appear to have been "downgraded" as far back as March 31.
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| | Recommended action Big deal! It's just the recommended action they changed. Microsoft Anti-Spyware STILL detects and lists it if you want to remove it, idiots. | |
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| | | Re: Recommended action The "deal" is simple. Our trust with Microsoft's Anti-Spyware program has been tainted, and because of this I find that the program is now a liability and its safer to just remove it and use the other two programs that I atleast currently trust. | |
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| | | | Re: Recommended action Idiot - software is crap. Who cares.
Un-install it because it does not work.
You are an idiot with a keyboard with time on hands stating the obvious. | |
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| | |  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
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3 edits | Like I am worried
What me worry about Microsoft antivirus...... |
But then It's all Bush's fault....right
Oh and I heard somebody screaming on Air America that Heliburton was going to buy Gator.....at least that is what the screaming sounded like, kind of hard to understand.;)
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Rancho Palos Verdes, CA | At least they didn't silently remove detection of it. | |
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| neurod
join:2005-07-02
Tallahassee, FL | Very nice, it's always good to call your readers names to add weight to your argument. The problem with your point is, it fails to consider what this "downgrade" means for the other pieces of the AntiSpyware software. Will the automated scans that run periodically in the background still flag Claria software? What about the runtime monitoring pieces? Will they flag anything from Claria when they try to install? Unlikely. Additionally, think of this from the perspective of the users most likely to be infected...non-techie end-users. Many of them don't even know what Claria is. All they know is, MS says to ignore it, so they click OK and go on about their day - with the bloated and intrusive GAIN et. al. packages still running. | |
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: You People... Even if that were the intent, it would be a disastrous move. The message it would send to all spyware/adware makers is "we are interested in paying hundreds of millions of dollars to those companies that produce widespread adware". It would simply encourage more adware makers to jump into the game and even might encourage major investment in such companies. Not good for the consumer, not good at all. | |
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join:2004-12-25
Anaheim, CA | ... Well, apprently the trolls and anti-(insert appropriate name here) are out in full force yet again. We shall soon be exactly like Slashdot. Would the lot of you mindless zombies please stop ranting about how you hate nearly everything? We truly don't care to hear your misguided, small-minded ravings about the end of the world and the "Evil Empire." Just stop.
Wait and see what comes of this, stop predicting horrors as certain that you have no right to even put forth as conjecture. Believe it or not, Microsoft's goal is not to destroy the world, conquer the world, or turn its customers into little slaves all of whose information is in some giant database in Redmond; Microsoft is the 800lb gorrila for a reason, and it's not because they are idiotic as you trolls would have us believe.
Furthermore, Microsoft gives huge amounts of money each year to charity, et cetera.
So, how about we go back to constructive conversation?
[O yes, and don't forget: Microsoft only downgraded the severity of the risk, detection of Claria/Gator has not been removed.]
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| redxiiPremium,Mod
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Sherwood, MI | Re: ... THANK YOU
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| | | Would the lot of you mindless zombies please stop ranting about how you hate nearly everyt
*hing? We truly don't care to hear your misguided, small-minded ravings about the end of th
*e world and the "Evil Empire." Just stop.
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Lol, what a bunch of crap. We actually want to hear the amorphous and decadent supporters of M$shit, don't we ? The only zombie like action is to actually support and blindly believe MS like you do. Zombies follow their master - Billy G -, not the opposite you know ...
Wait and see what comes of this, stop predicting horrors as certain that you have no right
* to even put forth as conjecture. Believe it or not, Microsoft's goal is not to destroy th
*e world, conquer the world, or turn its customers into little slaves all of whose informat
*ion is in some giant database in Redmond; Microsoft is the 800lb gorrila for a reason, and
* it's not because they are idiotic as you trolls would have us believe.
(*) WARNING 1 long line(s) split
But ... You do have the right, do you ? How smart MS supporters are. So, you predict nirvana for MS users, too bad it has never happened and it never will, have they stopped viruses, no, have they stoped spyware, no, have they solved privacy problems, no. Yes MS has little slaves but it also has big slaves, nevertheless they are buying more slaves every day. About conquering the world, well, they already did it, they are the biggest software monopoly on earth. Clean your zombie eyes, if you have some, and think about having a more critic spirit, it can only help you, believe me.
Furthermore, Microsoft gives huge amounts of money each year to charity, et cetera.
Clap, clap, clap. What it has to do with spyware. Anyway, OJ Simpson does same.
So, how about we go back to constructive conversation?
For you, a constructive conversation exists as long as people don't say anything against MS. I don't know if you noticed, but this is actually a discussion about your privacy put at risk. How many constructive things you have to say about a company which is helping lowering your privacy ?
O yes, and don't forget: Microsoft only downgraded the severity of the risk, detection of
*Claria/Gator has not been removed.
(*) WARNING 1 long line(s) split
Zombie alert ! Can your mind come with a reason for MS to do such a thing ?
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| | ZynikerZynikerPremium
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1 edit | Re: ... I am not even certain where I should begin in picking apart your post...so I guess I shall start from the top and work my way down:
1) I am not amorphous.(»dictionary.reference.com/search?q=amorphous)
a) You may have been using it figuratively, but that would mean you were using something other than English.
b) Try to at least insult me intelligently.
2) So...I am both without form and in a state of decline. Please learn fundamental English vocabulary and then return.
3)I do not blindly believe Microsoft, I believe the truth is more that you blindly hate Microsoft.
a) I have used many, many Microsoft products over the years and have had only limited troubles (very rarely was Microsoft at fault, it was usually third party hardward/software problems).
b) I choose to research things, I recommended we wait and see not blindly believe it is for our good.
4) I predicted nothing, it is the lot of you trolls who predict things; once again, I said wait and see. I do not claim to know what will come of this; I know no better than most of the rest of the members of this forum. Simply wait and see.
5) Your rant about viruses, spyware, privacy, et cetera:
a) Microsoft is neither to blame for nor should be held accountable for the immoral and nefarious nature of some of the world's programmers.
b) Privacy problems do not arise from the nature of Microsoft's software, they arise from the criminal nature of those who look for ways to exploit Microsoft's software.
c) Most problems with computers are the result of third party software and such installed by the end user, once again, Microsoft is not to blame for this.
d) Many privacy concerns and problems in this day and age are the result of 'social engineering' and other such 'Layer 8' problems.
6) Users of Microsoft products are not slaves.
a) We choose to use Microsoft products because we believe them to be the best on the market.
b) You are perfectly within your rights to disagree, please do so without the edge of hysteria and paranoia that is all too common amoung anti-Mircosoft trolls.
7) Being the largest software company on Earth does not mean that Microsoft has conquered the world.
a) Microsoft has competition from multiple companies in the IPTV 'indsutry,' is this the mark of a world-owner?
b) There are desktop alternatives to Microsoft, would there be any if Microsoft was truly the ruler of the world? I think not.
8) I believe you meant a more 'critical' spirit.
a) I am quite critical when the occasion calls for it, I am simply unbiased (unlike you) and when I believe Microsoft has made the best product I say so.
b) If I believed there was a better alternative to Microsoft, I would state as much. I do not believe that to be true.
c) Microsoft is the biggest for a good reason and it is not because it is the worst software around, believe it or not.
d) There is a big difference between being 'critical' and being hysterical and ranting and raving. I believe you can deduce wherein that you lie.
9) You forgot to actually ask a question, o well.
a) I was simply showing you (with one small example of many possible) that Microsoft is not an evil corporation of demonic entities bent on sucking the life-blood out of everything.
b) I recommend you look into the number of patents and the types of patents Microsoft has and how it enforces its legal rights. You may be surprised.
c) Yes, OJ Simpson may give to charity, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation.
I) I know you were trying to state that someone can be guilty/evil (et cetera) and still do some good.
II) This is a much different situation.
III)I must say that it slightly disturbs me that you feel free to compare murder and software development.
10) I do not care if you say something against Microsoft (or if anyone else does so), I simply wish that it was done in a more intelligent manner.
11) As for privacy:
a) My privacy is not being put at risk, yet.
b) If my privacy was put at risk, I would not defend Microsoft's actions.
c) Microsoft is not 'lowering' my privacy. They are simply acquiring another company; I will wait and see what becomes of it.
12) Yes, I can think of (come up with) a myriad reasons Microsoft would make such a move.
a) I find it dubious that Microsoft would purchase Claria/Gator simply to destroy it; that is highly unlikely (take one look at Microsoft's legal team and you will see a better way to accomplish that).
b) Did you ever consider Microsoft might want to take a look at how such an operation is run? Perhaps get a better understanding of our mutual enemy?
c) Microsoft is no more fond of malware than you or I; it harms their reputation and reduces sales. Microsoft would like to see this problem go away just as much as any end-user.
13) I felt no less secure and no more secure at the beginning of this firestorm, and I feel no less secure and no more secure now. Once again, I plan to wait and see.
14) Yes, I know enough HTML to make this into a list using said language, but I felt like doing it this way. I don't think it really matters.
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|  LaurielPremium
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Sacramento, CA | Learn to spell.
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| | Ah but There is no middle ground when it come to spyware/malware.You are either with us or against us 
More seriously though , this move by M$ is kinda disturbing and i don't like it.......... | |
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| | | Re: Ah but how is this disturbing? MS did not say what it's going to do with the spyware company. Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, MS will terminate their spyware to stop the spread of it? For what it's worth you're an idiot if you fail to use more than one anti-spyware program on your computer b/c what one company might take away from its spyware definitions another company might continue to keep.
I'll continue to use MS Anti-Spyware, Ad-Aware, Spyware Doctor, and Spybot Search & Destroy. And on top of that I even use Trendmicro's Anti-Spyware utility. Wake up people you're not safe with just one anti-spyware program.
This is a good move by MS if they go on and eliminate the spyware company and use their programmers to do other work, 'productive' work that helps the computer user. | |
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join:2005-07-02
Tallahassee, FL | Re: Ah but This is a good move by MS if they go on and eliminate the spyware company and use their programmers to do other work, 'productive' work that helps the computer user.
But that isn't the effect it would have, assuming the buyout is simply to shut Claria down. When you pay $500 million for a company to go away, hundreds of other companies will pop up and copy what Claria did to try and rake in similar riches. It exacerbates the problem and helps to legitimize adware/spyware companies. A lot of VC's would be happy to invest for a return like that! | |
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Columbia, SC | Get Real Folks I can't believe anyone here truly think that MS or any other corporate entity would purchase another, just to destroy themselves. MS like any other company, makes such acquisitions for the purpose of growing their business and making money. While some may go on the offensive here, those who own and or follow MS stock are jumping for joy. Im sure that if you owned a company, you wouldn't mind it so much if you were to gain a windfall by some other company buying yours. Im not defending MS decision, but just stating a fact of business life. Money talks and BS walks. Look for the positive in this purchase instead of anticipating negatives. | |
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