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Youngstown, PA | Re: I hope he's as effective as the anti-drug czar Not that I agree with piracy, but do you really think that lost revenue figure is accurate? Some wouldnt use Photoshop or any other high priced app if they had to actually pay for it. Just my .02 | |
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it would be nice if people stopped rationalizing that just because they wouldn't buy the software doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong. look at all the trial and freeware/opensource software out there.
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No harm done, you did not lose anything and in fact you don't have a clue I'm using one of your products. Because I'm not. It's installed on my computer and therefore it's mine.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: I hope he's as effective as the anti-drug czar said by Anonymous:said by noogoo:hence, the copyright law. are you for plagiarism and patent infringement too? You can have the original I'll just make myself a copy at my own expense. No harm done, you did not lose anything and in fact you don't have a clue I'm using one of your products. Because I'm not. It's installed on my computer and therefore it's mine. now let's take that to an extreme.
months of work and money goes into creating software or music or a movie, and they don't sell a single copy because they "can have the original" and you"'ll just make a copy at my own expense." $1,000,000 goes into making the software, you only pay for your bandwidth. the company loses $1,000,000.
making a copy at your own expense should mean you actually pay to make the original.
another extreme view:
a software is being sold for $1000. another company makes a similar software and sells for $10. everyone pirates the $1000 software. none of the software selling for $10 gets sold.
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another extreme view:
a software is being sold for $1000. another company makes a similar software and sells for $10. everyone pirates the $1000 software. none of the software selling for $10 gets sold.
lmao. but again who does it benefit the most if everyone has to pay and that person that produced this software was crappy anyway and aren't worth paying. 99 percent of software made today are bloatware, even a kid can do a hell of a better job then this. their taking advantage that most don't know how to program, maybe just lazy maybe both.
everyone pirates? lol. I wish! but p2p users are still minority but slowly growing because they hate paying for something that should not cost much in the first place.
I'm thinking .99 to maybe 4.99 for most softwares, movies, musics, games. That's the only way to defeat sharing, you sir are still clueless and still need to wake up to reality. you're dreaming if you think something that cost next to nothing to produce should cost an arm,and a leg just so individuals will work their ass off to compensate for that.
this capitalism is no different from slavery in feudalism time. we have advanced but no one is really free to choose how much they should be paying and if at all. i know i'm not getting throught to you but who cares? i'm just blabbering onlike youl haha! | |
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It's name calling, it's racist and it's hate message to people who enjoyed sharing with one another because it's fun, not be forced to buy stuff that are next to worthless.
you can continue ranting on and on but it won't change a damn thing. sharing concept is a freewill, a god given right, you or anyone who is this arrogant can never take it away. | |
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is it also sharing when unrealeased software and movies are leaked to the public by someone unauthorized?
if you really want to share, why don't you buy the software and then send it to a friend over the internet and delete your copy?
why don't share all our military secrets with the whole world? open source military.
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I know that not everyone buys what they download but i would say that most of the people who download a movie or a cd end up buying it if they like it. Some musicians and movies have probablly benifited from this since there works are being scene by people who usually wouldent buy there works. | |
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are you an "ends justify the means" kind of person?
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It would be nice if just one time someone would attempt to explain why "piracy" is wrong
Simple. The greedy for-profit companies want to control the spread of "culture" in modern society completely, without allowing any public dissemmenation of same. They want the eventual outcome to be that it is literally illegal "to share" anything.
If they had their way completely, they could charge you a tax for humming a tune that you heard on the radio, because they held a copyright on the official recording - even though, once you listened to it, you formed an abstract "recording" of what you heard in your head - at least enough to hum it back to yourself. Have you therefore committed copyright infringement, or "piracy" in doing so? Quick, we need to institute "brain licensing" for everyone! Tax every person that has a brain, because the human brain is nothing more than a device designed to facilitate "mental copyright infringement", and clearly the losses that these companies are suffering at the hands of brain-owners need to be compensated for! | |
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It would be nice if just one time someone would attempt to explain why "piracy" is wrong without resorting to weak analogies to actual theft of real property.I am not saying it isn't wrong, only that the analogy does not hold up. copyright law makes it like real property.
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Not that I agree with piracy, but do you really think that lost revenue figure is accurate? Some wouldnt use Photoshop or any other high priced app if they had to actually pay for it. Just my .02
only 2cents??? sorry bud i'll just toss it in the trashcan. money imho is pretty worthless if itdoesnt have any use!
fyi, piracy is not stealing it is the right ofthe people do as they please with stuff they bought. it's called pirating because it cost us nothing and benefits everyone! why? we no longer have to pay for thing that are so outrageously priced! so you will work like a dog to afford the things that only the rich can afford!
Enjoy things that are free! why try toenjoy thing sthat cost you and arm and a leg which cost them next to nothing toproduce???
we will never die just like piracy will never die!
we hate paying for antying in life expecisally useless movies that are just meant to make money and not to entertain you. adsf;klajsdf
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: I hope he's as effective as the anti-drug czar the only way to compair stealing a car and stealing music is if for example i had a really big version of a startrek replicator. i have it make me a BMW 7 series, now did i really commit theft? i didnt goto the dealer and steal a car but i did get a BMW that due to how the device works is a BMW down to the atomic level.
in the socalled "theft" of music using P2P you are replicating the music.
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| I remember.... Trading CD's among friends before this whole P2P hype came to be. I also remember installing private FTP servers on weird numbered ports and only letting 2 users on at the same time, and they would only be friends that I knew.
You won't be able to get software before or on the launch day that way, but within a month or 2 it will have spread the old fashioned way.
If they really are able to completely remove P2P from the picture, don't think for one moment that piracy would actually stop....
I actually RARELY use P2P or any pirated stuff anymore these days, but I don't believe piracy will ever be stopped. Especially since there is no way to govern the internet usage in other countries where P2P is more or less legal or at least not yet a hot topic.
And if all else fails, we'll just go back to copying CD's. I did not get over 2000 C-64 games back in the day by buying em all, and I did not get them by electronic communication either. It was all disk copies. Same in the DOS world by the way, I had hundreds of floppy discs.
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kudos:1 | And so it goes... Yet more pandering to corporate interests.
What's a real problem is "taxpayer theft" by the government.
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other than that, you cannot put a cost on piracy. this article and many others that i have seen ASSUME if someone couldn't pirate something they would have to buy it and that's where the lost profit is.
WRONG. if i had to pay $200 for Windows XP for each computer and $500 for 2k3 ES, would I? hell no. i don't have $200 to spend on crappy software. Maybe if microsoft wasn't a bunch of greedy assholes and sold a "household" license $200 wouldn't be so bad. there are 7 computers here. I'm not spending $1400 on OS software let alone anything else.
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btw, did you write that you have pirated winxp on 7 of the computers there?
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How many people do you think actually buy a copy of Windows for each computer they own. Next to ZERO.
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A few of the problems with intellectual property...
A) Art is not product (within the confines of a capital/mercantile system)
I've done this before here ...
Products have demand
Art sometimes has demand
If demand for a "product" ceases, the product will cease to be made.
Subset (a): If people stopped paying for art, I personally would continue to produce it.
If art ceases to be in demand, it will continue to be made
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Thus art is not product
Next we must ask "so if art isn't the product, what is it we're paying for when we buy a CD? Clearly, we're paying for something." Again, see my old posts for my feelings on this ...
B) In a capital system, according to Ricardo, Smith, Marx and even Walras, cost of production has a relation with price. Intellectual property has no "cost of production," just like doing a dance alone in your house has no "cost of production." Yes, the individual producing the art usually must pay for some sort of material. HOWEVER, those materials are NOT the intellectual property in question. How does one determine the price of an idea? Is it contingent upon value? Does the value has do with the demand side? Isn't value, according to Marx and Ricardo, determined by man-hours of production?
C) Copyright laws were intended to prevent individuals from making money without compensating someone for their idea. Take for instance, the inventor of monopoly. He brought his work to a company. They made an offer. He said no. They stole the idea and made it anyway. In the case of file-sharing (pro-term)/piracy (con-term), hypothetical money is not being made. However, no one is stealing money. How does one postulate on money yet to be created? It is quite possible, philosophically, that all individuals who download for free would not have purchased the product anyway, and thus are not A) violating the spirit of copyrighting and B) hurting the market in any way.
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kudos:1 | Piracy will NEVER DIE!!! I agree 100% with maartena everything he said is 100% true. Piracy will never die look how well the scene is organzied yes there was major busts but still. The scene lives, people in china are still pirating and why the hell does this guys of a sudden give a shit about piracy? Oh wow he got to buy a DVD of star wars for a dollar. Since when was it a kept seceret that you couldn't find anything pirated in china? Sorry don't mean to be offensive towards chinaman but everyone knows piracy and counterfit goods are rampent in Asia and china.
What I don't understand like on the AIDS policy in Africa that WE gotta be the big brother over all this. Before anyone who bashes me about aids epidemic I shouldn't have to pay for Africa to get condoms. Like this I shouldn't have to pay for a piracy czar I get 130 dollars of taxes taken out every paycheck, I work hard for that money why not put towards the roads, schools, or somthng here in America. It just seems like the goverment just wants to spend money because they can.
That's my 2 cents on this issue sorry to be so long and draged out but this just makes no sense to do this.
Oh yeah remember the recent scene busts didn't they say that they "Seized" 250 million dollars worth of illegal software how the hell can a small fraction of people they busted have a years worth of software? | |
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| |  This is about all product piracy; not just P2P
U.S. manufacturers of products ranging from shampoo to auto-safety glass also complain that they often have to compete with counterfeit versions of their own products in China and other markets around the world.
The Commerce Department estimates nearly 7 percent of the goods in the global market are counterfeit.
China -- where 90 percent of music and movies are pirate copies -- will be a chief priority, Gutierrez said.
"Frankly, our goal is to reduce (China's piracy levels) to zero," Gutierrez said. He declined to specify a timetable, but acknowledged it could be a lengthy effort.
The United States will closely monitor a long list of anti-piracy pledges China made at this month's high-level Joint Commission on Commerce and Trade meeting, including a promise to increase criminal prosecutions, Gutierrez said. This is more about China making knockoffs of many many products, not JUST music and movies. Though that is a big piece of it. It seems the capitalists in China still have a big piece of communism in their philosophy. What's mine is mine, and what is yours is mine too.
And if this initiative can reduce the crooks in China by 50%, that could wipe out the US trade deficit with them.
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| | | Re: This is about all product piracy; not just P2P Don't you think China's trade surplus has more to do with their currency's article value (which they just inhinged actually) than with the drop in the pond of piracy? China is moving towards being a legitimate global competitor. Right now, it may be textiles and metal goods, but as the value of the yuan floats up, so too will China's imports, balancing the deficit. Besides, what does good does a US piracy czar do in China? About as much good as the drug czar does in Afghanistan (pre-U.S. occupation). | |
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| | | | | Re: This is about all product piracy; not just P2P Quite a good point! Nations are often short-sighted about such things. United States included. China's entry into the WTO seems to be an instance of a nation desperate to get in on international trade not realizing the strain such a relationship would cause as their economy grew more viable and profitable. As China grows economically and technologically, they'll probably deal with many of the international economic relations problems that the United States and Russia deal with.
And the truth is, if any government can control private piracy, its the Chinese government. Their law enforcement infrastructure is large enough and their ability to keep tabs on media is quite impressive as well (not necessarily a good thing of course). China are still dependent upon the international community for their surplus income so tariffs would have an affect, even if in the coming decade, China will switch from a cheap materials exporter to an importer, it certainly hasn't happened yet. | |
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How do the justify a loss...is it just because their projected sales didnt add up to the actual sales? What about if someone just didnt wanna buy the album?
The way they attempt to justify it is highly bias towards making it seem like every person who didnt buy it...downloaded it for free. If there really were such losses, there would be less artists putting out work and less record deals being made.
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250 Billion in lost sales.
Isn't the average tax rate across the US about 5.5%
So lets see
250,000,000,000 + 5.5% = 263,750,000,000
So that's 13,750,000,000 in lost taxes for the feds, city and states. That's almost 14 billion dollars in money that could go to schools, police, fire fighters and more.
Even if that number was smaller lets say by 150 million. The lost tax rev is enough to have the feds act.
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is that lost sales from theft or lost sales from the possible fact that no one bought whatever it is that was trying to be sold...?
In a fantasy world where no one pirates, where money rules the world. Yea it can happen, only in their imagination! ha!
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Good one! I'm now laughing harder then ever!
that's like say8ng I could have won yesterday's lottery had I been luckier! oh well, youdidn't tough luck. maybe nexttime?!
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| | | Re: BS # said by KrazyDawg:"Intellectual-property theft is a major problem around the world. We believe that it is costing U.S. businesses about $250 billion in lost sales," Gutierrez told Reuters in an interview with reporters and editors. There are no hard facts to back up their so called data. Realistically speaking we already know where all our money goes. Taxes, SS we won't see, and money being spent on a useless war. exactly, why spend money thatyou don'teven have! called borrowing putting oneself in a deep hole! DEBT is what they trying to do to all of us. screw that! i rather be debt free! risk losing my house, my car, my personal property to these half-ass looter. they can go to hell for that.
btw, intellectual aka digital information is a property??? wtf??? that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard since the invention of the internet!!!
even after we been sharing since the dawn of time, sharing is still nonexistent to these idiotic hypocrites? | |
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| | Now that pirates finally made it to the "Bush Lague".Will one see a "shock & awe" display upon file traders.? Were their no P2P programs.Will that actually prevent file trading.?
NO Jack & Jill thru friends, family, neighbors, coworkers will still trade files the old fashioned way just like the cassette tapes of yore.File swappers on the net are not for profit but listening enjoyment,and most likely every 8 out of ten buy the cd themselves.Look at music sales it PROVES that point,Sales is not hurting like these greedy bastids claim.
The problem they may have is with the people SELLING copies of X for an income though it may be small.I see this as just another way to control what one does with one's computer,that DRM doesn't or Longhorn or any other silly dcheme's that has yet to be cooked up in order to accomplish this dirty deed.
This time it's "big brother" looking out for corp. intrests at the expense of OUR tax dollars.In my opinion we're going to see a new barter system emerge.In a way it has (P2P) and it will win.
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 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | Collateral I tried to use my 500MB music collection as collateral for a loan, but the bank would have none of it. I told them the value of my music was reportedly worth over $1.8 million dollars using the same formula the RIAA uses to assess financial damages due to P2P. I sent my fancy lobbyists to speak on my behalf. They were to wine and dine a few select representatives so as to help them see things my way, but I forgot that I don't have any lobbyists...or the money to pay for any. | |
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| | | Re: Collateral Michael Jackson used the Beatles catalog (that he was so instrumental in creating) as collateral for loans. But because of P2P piracy he probably won't be creating any more Beatles music.But seriously ,the copyright system in our country is so messed up we need a Czar to fix it not enforce it.People get sued for trying to preserve out of date unsupported programs and websites.Copyrights are still valid for movies made in the 30s.The whole point of copyright is to provide an incentive for people and companies to produce a product that is beneficial to society.If nothing ever becomes public domain then how is society as a whole benefitting?A constitutional right meant to make more products of "useful arts" available to society has been warped into an everlasting cash cow.When Ghandi marched to the sea to make salt he was stealing from the British government according to the law of the time.Was the sea less salty because of his actions? I think not.While I do not in any way compare the nobility of the cause, I do feel that the analogy better reflects the actual damage than the theft of real property analogy used so often. | |
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 cob_1310nm Of GoodnessPremium
join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK | Sound quality I'd probably buy more music if the quality was better.
MP3 rips typically sound 5x better than iTunes or Napster tracks. | |
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| | | Re: Sound quality said by cob_:
I'd probably buy more music if the quality was better.
MP3 rips typically sound 5x better than iTunes or Napster tracks.
aren't money better spent on clothing, food, and rent???
what the hell areyou saying??? did you cave in to their pressure???? wtf are you talking about???
I'm clueless!!! and bewildered!!! | |
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Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| Re: Sound quality said by DONKEYKONG01: said by cob_:
I'd probably buy more music if the quality was better.
MP3 rips typically sound 5x better than iTunes or Napster tracks.
aren't money better spent on clothing, food, and rent??? what the hell areyou saying??? did you cave in to their pressure???? wtf are you talking about??? I'm clueless!!! and bewildered!!! Are you arguing against paying for intellectual property? I don't wholly understand what you're trying to convey. | |
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join:2002-01-19
Harwood Heights, IL | Government I believe that governments (here and overseas) will slowly/eventually work their way to the point where they have more and more control over the Internet until piracy is minimal.
That's why I choose to be a pirate 'pirate'; I'll enjoy what the Internet offers by not paying for a single piece of software/mp3/movie/etc. for as long as possible.
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| | | Pure Greed The U.S. has the mentality that a loss is they didn't make as much as last year. Capitalism is the only idea based on pure greed. That is what is truly messing up this world more and more. If they make so many billion dollars one year, they expect to make that much or more next year. Don't you get it... they're not losing anything. They're just not recieving as much. Seriously why should they be complaining. Why do we have to suffer just because they want so many millions to buy their house or fancy mercedes? | |
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| | | | Re: Pure Greed Pure Greed
The U.S. has the mentality that a loss is they didn't make as much as last year. Capitalism is the only idea based on pure greed. That is what is truly messing up this world more and more. If they make so many billion dollars one year, they expect to make that much or more next year. Don't you get it... they're not losing anything. They're just not recieving as much. Seriously why should they be complaining. Why do we have to suffer just because they want so many millions to buy their house or fancy mercedes?
because they enjoy using us as slaves? imagine how many are willing to work their ass off just to watch some crappy movies! i'm against hard labors for something that cost nothing to produce. yet they go on and on about billions when most people don't even a see a million in their lifetime in their bank account!!! so wtf should we the people give a hoot?
here's a joke for ya, I want the rich to be richer so they will bring us better movies! buhahahahaa! yea right!
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| | | | | Re: Pure Greed That is all it is. Greed. They could make a central site where people could go to download music but they won't. Why you ask? Profit margin. They wouldn't be able to sell CDs at the high mark up anymore.
What also gets me is that M$ makes such a big deal about people stealing their OS here but in China they don't care cuz it grows brand loyalty. Ok so stealing is only bad in the US? | |
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| | | | | | Re: Pure Greed said by CrzyCrakr:That is all it is. Greed. They could make a central site where people could go to download music but they won't. Why you ask? Profit margin. They wouldn't be able to sell CDs at the high mark up anymore. What also gets me is that M$ makes such a big deal about people stealing their OS here but in China they don't care cuz it grows brand loyalty. Ok so stealing is only bad in the US? china is out of their jurisdiction, they would have to rule china aswell before tehy become owned likethe u.s.
fyi, the world doesn't like to share because of the ideal of selfish people that sharing is a bad thing and that it is better to keep most thing to yourselfhtne to let others enjoy it as well. so their logic is that, for you tohave something thatcost them nothing you got to be their slaves forever. it's like crack, once sample it you are addicted for life. money is the same way it is an addiction that we all need to break this habit. before man, their were no money involved, animals were free to roam around, live as they please and eat whatever they like without having to pay a damn thing. god created man but man created money to manipulate one another. i'm sure god does not approve ofthis because it has lead to many bloodshed. some like to share and some do not, that causes people to fight over pity thing such as property, possession, water, food.
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