TKJunkMail
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|  Telus within their rights
Being an independent business, Telus is under no obligation to provide access to all internet web sites, including the union one. If the union sympathizers don't like it, they can switch to another internet provider.
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firewire9999
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Livonia, MI | Telus Filtering Pro-Union Website
One Sentence: THIS IS ALL GEORGE W. BUSH's Fault. |
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vpoko
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Re: Telus within their rights
said by TKJunkMail  :Being an independent business, Telus is under no obligation to provide access to all internet web sites, including the union one. If the union sympathizers don't like it, they can switch to another internet provider. That is true, which is why I'm glad BBR is posting the story here so that more people, especially Telus subscribers, can decide for themselves whether they want to do business with such a company. Ahh, free North America. |
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Orwell1984
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Re: Telus Filtering Pro-Union Website
I don't really like Mr Bush but I fail to see how what happens in Canada is his fault. |
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said by firewire9999 :One Sentence: THIS IS ALL GEORGE W. BUSH's Fault. Ummmmm, how since this is a Canadian Company?  |
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Camelot One
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Re: Telus within their rights
I agree, technically Telus has the right to do this but it scares the hell out of me to think US ISPs might do the same in the future. I for one don't want a private company decided what information I can and cannot get online. And for that reason, to say nothing of this just being underhanded on their part, I'd drop kick them and go back to dial up if I had to.
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Re: Telus Filtering Pro-Union Website
said by firewire9999 :One Sentence: THIS IS ALL GEORGE W. BUSH's Fault. Despite being one who would rather see Elmer Fudd in the Oval than our current president, even I can't see how you can blame the actions of a private Canadian ISP on Bush.
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grouchy951
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| Not sure they realize what they have done...
Telus with their actions have pretty much said they are tracking and consider themselves responsible for content on their service.
Not something that most ISPs want to have happen. I have heard of them arguing the other way, that they provide the conduit and are not responsible for what passes through. |
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Orwell1984
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Re: Telus within their rights
They may be within their rights but I would really hate to see political censorship in this country.Imagine not being able to access a website because your ISP doesn't agree with the view. |
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moonpuppy
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| This could set a dangerous precedent....
What would happen if the Internet is censored?
Don't like a website that says a bad thing about your ISP? Just block it. What do you care since you could be the only (broadband) service in town.
This could get very interesting, very quickly. |
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mlundin
join:2001-03-27
Lawrence, KS | reply to grouchy951
Re: Not sure they realize what they have done...
Interesting point. Sure could make for one hell of a lawsuit. |
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drakkkar
join:2003-02-07
Houston, TX
| Since they want to be responsible...
Well, Since they want to be responsible for the content on their networks huh? In that case they should be liable for any copyright violations, or kiddie porn right? After all, they are saying they are responsible for the content.
If I were a customer of theirs, I would cancel.
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Telus within their rights
said by Orwell1984:
They may be within their rights but I would really hate to see political censorship in this country.Imagine not being able to access a website because your ISP doesn't agree with the view.
Private businesses are under no legal obligation to guarantee free speech. They are, however, in business to make money, so pissing off large numbers of customers isn't in their best interests. So I wouldn't worry about some massive censorship effort. My advice remains the same - don't like it and you're a union member or sympathizer, then switch providers.
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Derfel
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Well, Telus' claim that there are pictures of people crossing the lines is bogus - I just went through the entire site and saw no such thing. So unless they were taken down, Telus has no case here in that respect.
However, it is their company and their right to block the content they wish to block, AS LONG as it doesn't conflict with their user agreements. TELUS users - I would be reading the fine print right now to see what you can do about it.
From what I've read, though... TELUS might actually not be the bad organization in this struggle. I took a look at their package offer to the employees, and it seems to me that the employee bargaining team is the one that's been holding up the process. |
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Re: Telus Filtering Pro-Union Website
Um, I think he's being sarcastic..... |
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Re: Since they want to be responsible...
said by drakkkar :Well, Since they want to be responsible for the content on their networks huh? In that case they should be liable for any copyright violations, or kiddie porn right? After all, they are saying they are responsible for the content. I don't know what the law is in Canada, but any deliberate blocking of content by an ISP in the USA would definitely throw that company into the situation you describe. See the court case Stratton-Oakmont & Porush v. Prodigy for more info. Most ISPs in the USA clearly state that they have no control over online content for this very reason.
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I was curious so I tried to take a peak at the dirrect site address and it did not respond at all. I am in the US and on a edu connection. I was able to view it thru the proxy though |
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Orwell1984
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Re: Telus within their rights
Since I am not Canadian this instance is not really my problem. I am concerned about the possibility of this type of action in the U.S. I do not want to have to pick my ISP base on Thier politics.Also it would probably not be good to have opposing view points unavailable.Believe it or not I have occasionally found my opinions to be wrong.If I only have access to opinions which mirror my own how will I ever become wiser?What if your provider is a flaming liberal and wants to block websites that support conservative points of view.Censorship is bad, be it by a government or a corporation.I Hope that this type of thing never happens here but fear that in our current political climate anything is possible. |
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pnh102
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Re: Telus Filtering Pro-Union Website
said by moonpuppy :said by firewire9999 :One Sentence: THIS IS ALL GEORGE W. BUSH's Fault. Ummmmm, how since this is a Canadian Company? Because Canada has oil!
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Imagine for a moment that they decided to block access to DSLR because there were a lot of people posting in the Telus forum about problems they were having with the service. Would that be considered okay too?
I'm paying my ISP for access to the 'Net, not access to what they consider it okay for me to see. I seem to recall Google or MS (can't recall which) catching some flack over the fact that their search engine in China was not displaying certain sites that the government had deemed undesirable. Where's the difference?
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