dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
2 edits | Free or cheap wireless is bad?
How? Because it will make the big guys have to restructure their pricing schemes to still have customers? Waaaaa!!!!!
S.F. has ALOT of shops with free access, but City-wide? Hell yeah! 
More news:
»www.ecommercetimes.com/rsstory/45585.html
"Cities are starting to realize this is not a 'nice to have' anymore," said Paul Butcher, Intel's state and local government marketing manager. "To operate efficiently as a government, to enable business to compete and provide adequate resources to cities, you pretty much have to do this."
Intel backing this? |
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senatedon
join:2002-03-18
Mechanicsburg, PA | Karl, it's you with the misinformation
Again...and again, Pennsylvania did NOT ban municipal broadband. Pennsylvania now has in place a right of first refusal (ROFR) plan.
The ROFR works - Philly is an example. |
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cdigioia
Premium
join:2005-06-08
korea, repub | Cost...?
I somehow doubt they can do it without using a lot of tax dollars though...
& isn't WiMax (in theory) just around the corner? That would seem much cheaper to implement and maintain... |
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testin123
@verio.net | Lets call Sonia!!
How can we contact Sonia, to tell her what we really think of her SBC-ad? I doubt Sonia has any mirrors in her home. How can she look at herself, when she is bought, and paid for by SBC? |
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justncredible
@rr.com
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Re: Free or cheap wireless is bad?
Gavin hopes it cost nothing,, HA what a joke, so that means there be be no city workers that deal with this project??? No line maintenance, no tech support. Yeah this is so full of shit. Who do they expect to believe a company will just walk in and pay for all this??? Wireless at that, what city has paying wireless customers? That is in direct compentiton with major cable and DSL providers.
If some make believe company was going to build this, WHY is the mayor taking credit???? Only reason a mayor endorses a private company as he claims this is, is he is PAID to do it.
If one city worker spends 5 mins writing a plan on this then the mayor has lied, and taxpayers are wasting money for something that will never be used. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to senatedon
Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation
Semantics to make you and your bosses in Harrisburg feel better for selling out to corporate interests. Any muni in PA now has to go to Verizon for approval.
Philly was allowed through because it quickly became a Verizon PR nightmare. |
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broadbander
join:2005-07-21
Brooklyn, NY
| supportive, but spectical
This plan may be a little optimistic. Offering free Internet service to an entire city, while a lovely idea, is costly and extremely difficult. I wonder where this revenue and coming from and if it is in fact coming from extra revenues, where have those revenues been going?
I am all for municipilization of broadband as I think I've made clear in this forum many times. However, I don't know that I'm so keen on free broadband access for an entire city. Is the fiber infrastructure already there to do it? There are many logistics questions.
For now, it has one hand with a thumb up and the other with a pad in my hand. I'm sure I'll be writing alot about San Fran's decision in the coming months. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC | Stupid shill
Does she even know her analogy is wrong?
The DMV is a state run agency, not a city department. |
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Grammer101
@verio.net | reply to justncredible
Re: Free or cheap wireless is bad?
Do you proofread your posts, or just let your dog write them? ...a little coherence pleeeeeeese. |
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-09
clubs:
| Free Wi-Fi? Uh...
"It must be free for certain segments of the city population," Newsom said. Those who can afford to may have to pay a minimal cost, he said, but the plan probably won't cost taxpayers anything, he said. Directly from the linked article.
Then it's not completely free....
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| reply to senatedon
Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation
right of first refusal? Why the hell does verizon have that right in the first place? So, Philly got the 'exception', but every-other-place in PA got hosed.
What does this mean for other Pennsylvania towns? Well, they're pretty much screwed. They are required to give the local telcos the right of first refusal for municipal high-speed Internet services. Companies that refuse to let the cities go forward with their own internet services are required to provide a similar service within a 14 month window.
Verizon can go to hell before they have ANY rights to stop any competitor, be it city/state/private/public. Guess what verizon, you didn't pay for the telephone lines, the users of the telephone paid for it, but GUARANTEEING you a profit during your Ma Bell years. Now Verizon is just looking to screw everyone, and prevent any competition.
Though personally, I think that having any government agency run anything is a pretty bad idea, it's better than letting verizon steamroll their monopoly engine.
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cao1964
join:2000-08-09
Danville, PA | reply to senatedon
Hey I live in PENN, and you can call it what ever, you want, in the end its the same.
They have lobbied her to stop any kind of FIOS so why not wireless also. |
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badtrip
East Bay
Premium
join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA | SF is already working on free (for most) wifi
Maybe Gavin should talk to these guys:
»www.archive.org/web/sflan.php
Internet access should be free, I applaud the mayor for being forward thinking... |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to senatedon
Re: Karl, it's you with the misinformation
regardless of what the actual bill says or mandates, Karl has the absolutely correct interpretation of the intent, so don't give him no sh1t.
Pretend what you have to pretend to make yourself feel better, but don't try convince people on this forum that Pennsylvania didn't ban municipal broadband. |
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Fishie
join:2003-01-14
Riverside, CA | reply to Bill
Re: Free Wi-Fi? Uh...
Exactly. The people who will pay, will be paying for the poorer people that can't afford it. It will definitely cost the residents money in the end. |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| I don't understnad you guys
You complain about the "bought and paid for by (insert company here)" politicians; you complain about corruption, and all the ridiculous new laws the techno-ignorant politicians want to institute; then in the next sentence you clamor for those same politicians to set up your muni-networks(where the government is in direct competition with commercial enterprises), and even better you believe them when they say things like "it won't cost one taxpayer anything ever". It's amazing how when it's something you want suddenly the politicians are telling the truth.
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| It's not the "same politicians". It's fed and state vs. town and city. Granted the latter can be corrupt too, but many of these projects are born out of a desire to see the community develop. Laws banning such projects are born out of simple greed. |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| said by Minister  :It's not the "same politicians". It's fed and state vs. town and city. A politician is a politician, and I think you'll find that local politicians tend to be more corrupt as not many people care about local politics so no ones watching.
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Galvage
join:2004-02-11
Taconite, MN
| reply to broadbander
Re: supportive, but spectical
do you have any idea how small sf is? its roughly 4 miles across. With that kind of size they could literally just put a linksys high gain on a tall building and get range for up to half that distance easy.
also this wireless system is supposed to be similar to that used in the northwest rural areas and allow the police to quickly download information about suspects on the fly. |
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Orwell1984
@fdn.com
| Ideas
All This fuss over the Mayor of San Francisco being open to ideas? The Mayor stated goals and is open to ideas about how they can be implemented.For this you have all of the anti muni nuts and doom sayer telco shills freaking out.Why not let a plan be developed before knee jerk reactions start?It is completely asinine to try to shoot holes in a plan which does not even exist yet. You can not make any logical arguments either way at this point. Some people don't really care about such things as reason or common sense,only maintaining the telco party line regardless of reality. |
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