Xure
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2 edits |  Hidden cost to those who don't want music
This is an extra cost to those who don't want to download music. Of course, with this particular ISP, they are upfront about it and you would join them and pay the fee knowing what you are getting.
But what if all ISP's decide to do this? Then all the ISP's users who don't download music will be subsidizing those who do. Because we know that the major ISP's aren't going to reduce profits. It may not be a big increase( a buck or two), but the ISPs will pass on the cost.
The deal is good for the RIAA, they could get money from every broadband user, whether they listen to their music or not if this concept spreads.
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However, most "music" companies will probably balk at the idea, since they will want a sliding scale for songs. But I do think that if they offer something like this in America the record companies might be able to stop the slide in revenues. Now whether they put out decent music again is a whole other debate.
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| said by moby866  :Now whether they put out decent music again is a whole other debate. These "recording artists" (in quotes, because I use that term loosely) have been spitting out garbage for over a decade and jacking up the price of that garbage every time something is released. What this ISP did is nothing short of a miracle. Sony is one of the leads in the RIAA, and now they make a contract with an ISP to share music? I don't know about you, but I smell something funny. I just hope it works out for all those users, it's a great idea, but so was communism. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Hmmmm... share "their" music? I'll share whatever I want..  |
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Re: Finally!
Wow this looks interesting. but you know something this will be shot down by the RIAA because they want money every time the song is played. Having said this Sony is one of the big 4 behind the RIAA so who knows what will happens. Unfortunately I will not be holding my breath.
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Re: This is a great idea.
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DSL subscribers get the right to share any song in the Sony-BMG catalog with other Playlouder subscribers, in any format, at any bitrate, via any p2p application.
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However, most "music" companies will probably balk at the idea
I'm stunned that Sony and BMG would go for this. There's got to be some missing details. If they're going to let certain ISP users make and share MP3s, why not let the rest of us buy them?
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Transmaster
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Re: Hidden cost to those who don't want music
you sound just like a young person bitching about having to pay for health insurance he, or she never uses. I am sure the ISP's will have with, or without plans. |
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There are still a lot of unanswered questions. It isn't clear yet whether the sony content will follow the same model as the indie content. Still, this could be very major news and could represent the beginning of a major shift. It isn't being talked about as much as it should be. |
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Re: Hidden cost to those who don't want music
But you already subsidize download hogs with the price of your broadband. My mom probably uses less than 200MB per month, and most of that are the automatic Windows updates. Yet she pays the full $45.95 per month for cable access. That offsets some neighbor kid down the street who leeches from Usenetserver all night and day.
Similarly, I subsidize sports enthusiasts when I pay my cable bill. Taxes work the same way. I'm paying for all sorts of projects I don't care about but are deemed to be for the greater good.
If a buck or two per month from every broadband subscriber is really going to appease the record industry to fianlly let us do what we want with our music, I'd seriously have to consider it. However, I don't beleive for a second that they're going to let us freely swap un-DRMified mp3's.
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I guess people dont see the sliding effect here, next music companies will say they want to get paid(for each song). etc etc. I dont think this is a good idea, and wouldnt choose this isp. Because i dont share music.
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Gives new meaning to buck up and face the music. |
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1 edit | Unlimited? No DRM?
If this truly has no limits or DRM then I am for it. Maybe Sony figured out that most people don't buy the garbage music on the market anymore. Buy getting a certain guaranteed fee from the playlouder people.. they might actually increase their revenue base. Plus this is a consumable product being that they keep getting this revenue month after month in the increased ISP fees. Somebody may actually be using a few brain cells in this. This would be getting money from people who never buy CD's anymore. Its hard to compete with free on P2P networks, newsgroups etc.. So this makes allot of sense. But being that Sony is behind this.. I am a bit leery of any future catches. But Sony may have learned a big lesson with its older music players and the their proprietary formats..altrac.. which lost them the market and now they are trying to play catch up with psp devices.. but they are way behind Apple. Believe me the big wigs at Sony know for a fact that their Greed in keeping things proprietary cost them millions.. it backfired on them . This sounds like they are trying to be first in providing something that can actually compete with P2P. Sony may not want to be left behind EG (APPLE) again.
What I am afraid is that these files may have to be played in some sort of proprietary playlouder player (DRM). I really doubt they would allow everything to be traded in the open MP3 format. |
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Re: This is a great idea.
I just hope it works out for all those users, it's a great idea, but so was communism. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Um ... absolute power over what?
How was communism a great idea? I thought the problem with communism was the theory, and thus, its faults in practice. |
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Re: Finally!
said by Transmaster :Wow this looks interesting. but you know something this will be shot down by the RIAA because they want money every time the song is played. Having said this Sony is one of the big 4 behind the RIAA so who knows what will happens. Unfortunately I will not be holding my breath. First: the RIAA is a US-only organization. So, they aren't to be worried about, at any rate. You would have to worry about whatever the UK equivalent of the RIAA is.
Second: as you noted, Sony is one of the major members of the RIAA (and similar entities in other countries). Since it is Sony making their catalogue available in this arrangement, so long as the service users are only sharing Sony-catalogue songs, there would be no grounds for an anti-piracy group to step in.
Now, how long Sony decides to keep with this is open for debate. Sony's one of the ones that wants to change the pricing structure that iTunes uses. So, I would imagine this service will go on right up to the point that it gets successful. At that point, Sony will get greedy and it will all fall apart.
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I could not find anywhere on the Playlouder website any mention of exactly what format the music will be in.I also found no statement of an absence of DRM. All this really sounds like to me is a technology testbed to prove ISPs can stop illegal P2P file sharing.The same deep packet searching and finger printing could end up being mandatory for all ISPs
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Skippy25
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Re: Hidden cost to those who don't want music
Health insurance used to save one's life or maintain one's living condition is a little different then music, moron.
I also buy life insurance and I will only be using that once and know that up front. That doesnt mean I want to subsidize free Hot dogs and cotton candy for those that enjoy those things. |
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|  This is how it was meant to be!
People feel that since they paid for the ISP, and the computer, the music should come either at a very low price and free.
Music is more easily available online than it is anywhere else. Ordering means waiting for shipping, buying in the store means a crippled selection and having to(in my case) take two buses there and back.
Apps to buy music online are trash. $1.50/song for horribly compressed music, crippled with DRM.
Now the labels are compensated, and in addition we get to share the music we want however we want without it being crippled.
The only issue this brings up is the issue with taxes.. does the guy who uses broadband only to upload family videos to his hosting and for moderate web browsing really want to pay a fee for your music downloading?
IMO, if the fee is small enough, the answer is HELL YES. This is like taxes paying for the library. Not everyone uses it but it should be there.
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Re: This is a great idea.
Communism actually works in smaller communities. In fact it has worked when you take into account the tribal communes from the Americas and Africa. It fails in practice when trying to establish a large community. There is no way you will have thousands of individuals who are all in line with a communistic economy. Someone is going to want to make that power grab or take more wealth for themselves. That is why communism fails in anything larger than say a village. |
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Re: Hidden cost to those who don't want music
The actual problem I see in this is how are they going to divvy up the royalties? How will they know which artists get a cut and how much of that cut will they get? This seems to me just a way for the record labels to extort more profits without actually giving back to their artist pool. |
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