skyfreedomdo
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FS-DAN
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So he was jailed for 10 years because he had something to say about press restrictions. Give me a break. |
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Bill
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And what happens if Yahoo refuses to give information to the Chinese authorities?
My guess would be the information would be obtained anyways and Yahoo then has strained relations with a government they are trying to get along with.
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kapil
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Government and Industry have figured out their symbiotic relationship. Corporations get what they want and politicians get money to get "elected". Joe Citizen gets screwed.
Why can't an American corporation be in the news for something GOOD for a change? And why can't our companies go overseas and not screw the local population?
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Re: And what happens...
said by Bill  :And what happens if Yahoo refuses to give information to the Chinese authorities? My guess would be the information would be obtained anyways and Yahoo then has strained relations with a government they are trying to get along with. I agree. Yahoo has to comply with state authorities if they want to do business in China. As long as they are following Chinese law, I have no problem with it. It isn't Yahoo's job to reform the Chinese government. If some think Chinese law needs changing, feel free to go over there and protest. I'll send them a Red Cross pkg to whichever prison they are sent to.
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kapil
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Yes, but sometimes being righteous is a bitch! That means that sometimes you have to pick between money and doing the right thing. Sadly, you'll never see an American corporation on the right side of things
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| said by kapil :Yes, but sometimes being righteous is a bitch! That means that sometimes you have to pick between money and doing the right thing. Sadly, you'll never see an American corporation on the right side of things You'll never see ANY international corporation on the right side of things. Or at least what you think is the right side.
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kapil
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Then whose job is it? We certainly made it our job to march freedom into the middle east, didn't we?
Liberty isn't as important in China because we like our walmarts stocked with everything from a-z for 99 cents?
Then again, the greedy aren't really known for bothering with subtleties like hypocrisy.
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Well, the two-faced nature of dealing with tyrants becomes apparent from time to time. Sadly, I am surprised at neither this sentence or the fact that Yahoo! helped make it happen.
A more telling tale might be what happens when Google, with it's philosophy statement #6, "You can make money without doing evil," is faced with a similar situation.
Commerce with China is beginning to remind me of the stories of the German-American Bund in the 1930's.
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It must be true 
A French media watchdog said Tuesday...
Ah the French, That makes this more believable
" His conviction stemmed from an e-mail he sent containing his notes on a government circular that spelled out restrictions on the media.
This probably would not have been possible without the cooperation of Yahoo,"
Sure, Maybe the person he sent it to turned him in, seems possible to me. |
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Re: And what happens...
Money rules the world. Accept it or not. Fight that concept and you get run over.
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kapil
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I disagree. Enterprise doesn't have to be evil.
A couple of years ago, Ikea took a day's worth of earnings and gave it to their employees as a 'thank you' for their hard work.
Here we have Ford, GM, United and others...who have shown utter disregard for decency when it comes to their employees and their well being...focusing instead on dollar signs and bonus checks.
Time and time again they have proved their incompetence as one restructuring after another has failed and as a final Fuck-You to their workforce, these corporate behemoths are now complaining that health care and pension for these hard working people is costing the execs too big a cut in their bonus checks!
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izy
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said by FS-DAN :
So he was jailed for 10 years because he had something to say about press restrictions. Give me a break.
Welcome to China.
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kapil
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A corporation that makes it a point to say that they promise to do no 'evil' has a better chance of adhering to it than one that is too big a coward to even take a stance on the matter.
I'm not saying Google would have fared better in this situation, but they thought enough of not doing things like this to put it on the list of things they stand for as a company.
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kapil
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Re: And what happens...
said by TKJunkMail :Money rules the world. ...or so the Republicans would have you believe.
I, on the other hand, live in the real world, where there is still poverty and poor people, disease and sick people, lack of food and hungry children, discrimination and those discriminated against.
Instead of playing Ostrich or claiming to 'go with the flow' or "get run over"...I admit there are problems and do my part to fix them.
Just because things are this bad, doesn't mean they have to stay that way.
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Qumahlin
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said by Bill :And what happens if Yahoo refuses to give information to the Chinese authorities? My guess would be the information would be obtained anyways and Yahoo then has strained relations with a government they are trying to get along with. The issue is companies instead of trying to get "along" with China should be using their power to force China to change their ways.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by kapil :Yes, but sometimes being righteous is a bitch! That means that sometimes you have to pick between money and doing the right thing. Sadly, you'll never see an American corporation on the right side of things You'll never see ANY international corporation on the right side of things. Or at least what you think is the right side. Unless of course that "right side" means that corporation gets more money. To them, by definition, nothing else matters.
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Bill
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The problem is, Yahoo is not in a position to fix anything going on in China. The only ones powerful enough to force change in China is the US government.
But, of course, as soon as the US government would show any interest in China's political issues, the same people complaining about "imperialism in the Middle East" would be complaining about the US government trying to change China. There is no happy medium between the two.
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stephenju
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Wait. China jailed a journalist and the US is to be blamed? What else do you blame the US on? Super nova explosion in M39?
I am ethnic Chinese and even I can see how ridiculous you are trying to be. |
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said by izy :said by FS-DAN :
So he was jailed for 10 years because he had something to say about press restrictions. Give me a break.
Welcome to China. Yeah, but they have GIG fiber links and are so far ahead of the US broadband industry as we see reported time and time again here on DSLR.
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