knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN | DRM = Digital Restrictions Management
I know how every talks about digital rights, but it's not rights, it's restrictions. Anything that has to do with DRM I will always steer clear of. Can we say MythTV  |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
1 edit | I'll stick with my series 1 Tivo
and its v 3.0 firmware... |
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SSX4life
Premium
join:2004-02-13
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| DRM is bogus
I personally hate all forms of DRM, and looking at how industry led officals seem to throw money at policy holders and lawmakers to get their way while the standard user suffers because of it. Can someone please tell me why the hell they are making a big deal at locking down content so f*cking much? It seems like everything and their little opinion and idea is becoming copyright, where are the days and the ages where everyone shared, had personal opinions and were vocal on them? What happened to "the customer always comes first" or "the customer is always right". I feel like we have been pushed to the back corner by money grabing, obnoxious, and pushy lawmakers and coperations. Look at the DRM that is now HARDWARE BASED on Intel Pentium D processors (I hope they sink into a pool of their own filth), or now Tivo's etc. etc. etc.
My PERSONAL property is simply that... personal. And if something is broadcast over PUBLIC airwaves who in ther right f*cking mind would go out of their way to block their content, that is like having a DRM flag for the radio saying you can't repeat what was said or listen to it on a cassette tape! I'm simply pointing out the fact that copyright protection is going in the wrong direction and if we don't do something soon to stop this (not like we can in some ways) then we are going to just have to shell money every time we want to turn on the TV or watch a movie.
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Goober
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | I'm hoping replayTVm doesn't follow with this nonsense. Regardless, though, I'm getting to the point where the internet and my Xbox is starting to become a great supplement to my two ReplayTVs. |
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JPGrimmace
join:2003-09-16
Pontiac, MI
| Same Thing Here
Just this past Sunday, I was attempting to tape The Simpsons and The Family Guy (Giggiddy-Giggiddy-Goo) and had constant DRM issues exactly as mentioned here. There was a difference though in that I was using my ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 8500 on my Windows PC, not a Tivo. I was pretty pissed to be prompted that the programs were view only though. Even the portions that did record were repeated frames with V-Sync problems. Very coincidental that I tried only these shows.
I had recently updated my ATI Multimedia Center and video drivers so I figured that the new version (9.08, which is newer than 9.10 somehow) had new DRM features. I uninstalled that crap as quickly as I could. |
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nizbit
Learn to Swim
Premium
join:2003-09-20
Grainy
| MPAA and RIAA don't want you to have Tivo
The more I read about Tivo the less I want to purchase one. I'm starting to think to build my own PVR, but MediaCenter has its own DRM. Oh wait it's called "Play for Sure". Its only a matter of time before Beyond TV is labeled as "pirate tools" and shutdown.
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RyanG1
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join:2002-02-10
San Antonio, TX
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| does anybody know what time it is?
MythTV time.....
if im not mistaken, mythtv can do what tivo does (and more) and doesnt havent DRM right?
plus you can get that old 2ghz box out and make use of it now!:p
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Chris 313
Come get some
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join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
clubs:
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| What's the point?
What's the point of having a Tivo or any type of DVR if you can't keep something you recorded for as long as YOU want to?
I've a recording from April of this year still on my DVR and it's staying until I decide to erase it or the box fries.
Screw this "Bug"! |
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voyager6868
join:2003-01-29
Lynnwood, WA | reply to knightmb
Re: DRM = Digital Restrictions Management
TIVO is a very poor product if a bit of "signal noise" can cause it to do bizarre things like this. Anyone who has one, should be boycotting the company until they come clean. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Why is anyone suprised?
Hmm.. This is turning out exactly as we all knew it would. Sure, you had the **AA fans saying 'it's only to protect the content', and the Law and Order fans saying 'it's stealing', and of course my favorite, the commercial skippers who are 'thieves for skipping commercials'. But in the end all these media companies are afraid of exactly the same thing. They are terrified of loosing control. As I've stated in many earlier posts, this is a control issue, not a money issue. The big corporations despise the PC that is powerful enough to record shows on your terms. They despise the concept of linux, where you can do what you want. They want all PC's to be x-box style consoles. They want the ability to remotely kill your device if you change it, or use it in an unauthorized way. They want to be sure that you only here their side of the political debate, so they can control the votes. They want well behaved 'consumers', not thinking customers. If Karl Marx had seen television, his famous phrase would have been modified to read 'TV is the opiate of the masses'.
Spin doctors aside, tivo added the functionality for a purpose, and that's to control the sheep. Hell, even the comcast DVR's don't let you transfer certain shows out the firewire. It's all about control.
Don't get me wrong. I won't stop watching TV. There's some shows I like. I just choose to watch them on my terms. As the courts ruled, once the broadcast enters your house, they loose ANY RIGHTS over what you do with it. PERIOD. (read the court decision on the broadcast flag). The solution of course, is to run linux, and buy your stuff from overseas. Any protection they add will be simple to bypass. Yes, you will be an 'outlaw', but at least you won't be a sheep.
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| Mistake or test.
Maybe they are gauging the reaction of people to see what happens with these "false positives". So when they go full force people wont freak out. Oh did you that myth tv exists, and snapstream, dont forget replay.
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Mtav80
Premium
join:2002-12-28
Loveland, CO | Sad
This (DRM) is doing nothing but hurting the legit Tivo users. Sad when it's easier and hassle free to go download the TV show from the net. |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
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Re: What's the point?
said by Chris 313  :What's the point of having a Tivo or any type of DVR if you can't keep something you recorded for as long as YOU want to? GOOD QUESTION |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
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| TiVo..
yet another good reason to use generic, DRM free dvr solutions..
so what if you have to hunt for the program you want to record.. it's not the end of the world, At leqast you'll be in control unlike a limited TiVo device which is (now) controling you.
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kpatz
MY HEAD A SPLODE
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join:2003-06-13
Manchester, NH
| reply to AtomicZero
Re: What's the point?
What I don't get is... Tivo gets its revenue from its subscribers. So wouldn't it be in their best interest to cater to their wants/needs and not the media companies?
And what's the point of forcing a delete date on a recorded show, besides to put more restrictions on paying subscribers? They should lower their fees if they're going to impose that sort of crap.
If I decide to go the DVR route in the future, I'll be going the MythTV route. I should be controlling the DVR, not the DVR provider or media companies.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | reply to pokesph
Re: TiVo..
Exactly...if the spamming and banner ads weren't enough...this is just one more reason to drop that crap TiVo.
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jytr
join:2005-02-03
Cliffwood, NJ
| reply to SSX4life
Re: DRM is bogus
This also implies that certain shows and segments supplied by our news media can also impose these restrictions.
There will be a day, in a few years, where there will be no free TV. To view, you'll have to buy a little box. If your box records, it'll have the recording restrictions and limits. You will always rent what you see. Pay per view and on demand TV.
This will also apply to radio.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| TV Your Way...if you happen to be Fox
Boy I'm not missing cancelling my TiVo service. After years of great service they took the 30% increase then started the system message spamming and banner ads...then the animated gif style ads during programs...
Now this.
TiVo sucks royal.
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kpatz
MY HEAD A SPLODE
Premium
join:2003-06-13
Manchester, NH
| Sometimes old technology is better...
If this is what DVR technology is moving toward, maybe it's time to dig out our old, tried & true, always records when you tell it to, doesn't erase things without your permission, always lets you skip commercials, and doesn't spam you, VCR.
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Re: What's the point?
Tivo wants to get cozy with the big cable companies so they'll use it as their preferred DVR. To that end, they'll do whatever it takes to appease them, including crap like this. |
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