JPGrimmace
join:2003-09-16
Pontiac, MI | What?
So you mean you have to make an investment and deal with competition to be successful? Who'd of thunk it? |
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA | Yet more confirmation that BPL has failed
Many better ways to deliver broadband
DSL
Cable
Wi-Fi
WiMax
Fiber
All are faster and they all work |
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA | reply to JPGrimmace
Re: What?
BPL always did attract the stupid . . . . |
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aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to David95037
Re: Yet more confirmation that BPL has failed
said by David95037  :Many better ways to deliver broadband DSL Cable Wi-Fi WiMax Fiber All are faster and they all work And they all cost money to provision/deliver/maintain/upgrade service. So $h|t or get off the pot... and looks like they fell off...
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.:|:.Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch it to be sure. .:|:. |
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mishaq
Premium
join:2004-01-24
Richardson, TX
clubs: | Perhaps
Power companies could use all the pole space they have along with their existing crews and run fiber as back haul along their power routes, and then for the last mile do wireless.
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Damn you FCC! |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to aztecnology
Re: Yet more confirmation that BPL has failed
It's one thing to spend money to deliver the product. It's quite another to spend exceeding amounts of money to deliver the product.
Data doesn't travel far over the meduim BPL uses. Having to install a repeater "every so many feet" just to deliver the product over a square mile isn't economical.
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furlonium
Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?
join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA | reply to mishaq
Damn
I see tons of "PPLBroadband" wireless AP's too, and I was going to sing up with them....oh well  |
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aztecnology
O Rly?
Premium
join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: Yet more confirmation that BPL has failed
said by DaSneaky1D :It's one thing to spend money to deliver the product. It's quite another to spend exceeding amounts of money to deliver the product. Data doesn't travel far over the meduim BPL uses. Having to install a repeater "every so many feet" just to deliver the product over a square mile isn't economical. Depends on what "exceeding" means? Installing repeaters along with their infrastructure is a lot cheaper than trying to build a fiber optic network over the same distances....
The bottomm line is that they don't think they can run a profitable operation with BPL. Better to cut their losses now instead of throwing good money after bad..
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA | reply to furlonium
Re: Damn
I'm actually a bit sad about this. I'll now have to drive 2 hours and 30 minutes to hear BPL interference rather than an easy 45 minute commute  |
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BPLSUCKS
@comcast.net | What freqs
What frequencys have you seen the BPL interfearence on? |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to rf_engineer
Re: Damn
said by rf_engineer :I'm actually a bit sad about this. I'll now have to drive 2 hours and 30 minutes to hear BPL interference rather than an easy 45 minute commute :D:D:D |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Come out, come out wherever you are.....
Where is the BPL troll with his stock tips and articles on how cheap and successful BPL is being deployed.
 :D:D |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| reply to BPLSUCKS
Re: What freqs
said by BPLSUCKS :
What frequencys have you seen the BPL interfearence on?
It's been awhile since I've driven the PPL systems, but you could easily find stuff on the 7, 14, 18, 21, 24 and 28 Mhz bands when I frequented the area. The Amperion systems place carriers every 1.1 kHz, so it's pretty easy to recognize it.
I had heard the Emmaus Main.net system was hitting 3 to 30 Mhz, though I never drove that site. There's a video of that site here: »www.arrl.org/video/BPL_Emmaus.mpg |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | i told you so...
do i even need to say it...? i think i will anyway...
BPL IS A LOSER!!! and will continue to be... I TOLD YOU SO!!! |
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nospin2
| reply to David95037
Re: What? PPL using the older BPL chipsets
Earthlink using Ambient`s 200 mbps BPL chipsets...
also PANASONIC had newer 170 mbps BPL chipsets...
DS2 200 mbps Ham Radio-friendly BPL chipsets !!! |
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nospin2
| [September 14, 2005]
DS2's Radio Friendly BPL Technology Puts Competition on the Defensive
DALLAS --(Business Wire)-- Sept. 14, 2005 -- Speaking at 2005 UPLC Annual Conference, Victor Dominguez, DS2's Director of Strategy and Standardization, outlined the reasons why DS2's 200Mbps powerline solution is the only regulatory compliant technology available for BPL commercial deployments.
Dominguez was dismissive about claimed alternatives to DS2.
Mr Dominguez was adamant about competitors claims "I think that we have put the competition on the defensive. Our competitors would love to have the flexible notching capabilities that we have for BPL and In-Home PLCs, but the truth is that they don't. DS2 has had dynamic notching since its first chip set and can mitigate radio interference in a programmable way and other PLC chipsets do not. We would like to thank our competition for the rumours propagated at several press interviews, they have been attracting attention towards one of the main competitive advantages of our technology, we mastered programmable notches in a 200 Mbps chipset more than 2 years ago, since then we have been shipping in volume for BPL and In-Home applications, and still remains to be proven that competition can follow us."
DS2's technology is well known in the BPL industry for being one of the first proponents of programmable notching in powerline communications, as the best method for addressing potential interference to radio services. DS2's 200 Mbps BPL technology, available in silicon since 2003, already implements this dynamic notching functionality, which has been tested in the field, in several commercial BPL deployments, and demonstrated in several BPL industry trade shows.
"Other competing technologies have some notches, but they are fixed, including the most advanced designs from followers (on top of that they exhibit performance below 40% our speed). This means that they fall short for the demands of regulators and consumers everywhere from the FCC to the European Commission who require that frequency bands can be selectively notched out, even after the equipment has been deployed. Operators deploying non-DS2 based solutions risk having their equipment withdrawn from the field because once it is out there, there is nothing that can be done to prevent interfence with radio signals. With DS2, however, any issues can be resolved even when the equipment is in the field by remotely disabling problematic frequencies thus complying with today's or future regulatory requirements and automatically avoiding any radio signals in any part of the world". Mr Dominguez placed special emphasis on the radio friendliness of the system.
In February this year, DS2's 200 Mbps powerline technology has been chosen as the baseline technology for the European utilities developing PLC standards to accelerate the adoption of low cost, high performance broadband access PLC. As part of the selection process, an extensive set of tests were performed, including notching functionality benchmarks for avoidance of potential interferences to radio services. In addition, report from Ofcom, the British telecom regulator recognised the significant advance represented "The flexibility of the DS2 product, with its programmable spectrum mask and downstream notching capability, represents a significant step towards a more EMC friendly PLT solution."
Specifically, DS2 BPL system can implement notches in any frequency band, not only in radio amateur bands. This means that the system can be adapted to changing regulations in several countries. For example, FCC recently prohibited BPL Operators to use frequencies within defined "excluded bands". Only products based on DS2 technology can be adapted to this new regulation remotely from the Operator's Network Operation Centre, while products based on competing chips would need to replace the hardware in the field.
DS2 200 Mbps the technology which underlies the majority of commercial access PLC and IPTV/ADSL deployments worldwide and has been built into equipment manufactured by the leading US, European and Asian BPL manufacturers. It is used by XDSL/IPTV operators like Telefonica and electricity giants such as Consolidated Edison, Duke Energy, EdF, EdP, Iberdrola and Endesa, to drive their broadband over powerline offerings. As of September 2005, the estimated number of consumers and businesses that enjoy access to IPTV, internet and voice-over IP services is estimated at 500,000, with more than two million homes passed in deployments with more than 30 power utilities world-wide.
About DS2
DS2 is the leading supplier of silicon and software for Power line Communications (PLC). DS2's award winning power line technology delivers data rates in excess of 200 Mbps to support multiple simultaneous video-streams, voice and data applications at low cost. DS2 is driving standardization activity in many international bodies.
About UPLC
www.uplc.org
About UPA
The Universal Powerline Association (UPA) is an International not-for-profit trade association working to harmonize global standards and regulations in the fast developing powerline communications market. |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| reply to moonpuppy
Re: Come out, come out wherever you are.....
said by moonpuppy :Where is the BPL troll with his stock tips and articles on how cheap and successful BPL is being deployed. :D:D Give him a little bit. He's an Ambient fan, and PPL's systems were Amperion and Main.net. The spin will be that they were using the wrong vendor. Never mind that Amperion uses the same DS2 chipset as Ambient. |
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ebubman
join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
·Comcast
 ·Vonage
| ppl has bpl??
we have comcast & honestly i'm pretty pleased with it. have written ppl in allentown several times & have failed to get a straight answer on anything related to bpl. i just figured they had the usual front level tech folks who merely cut & pasted for the first buzz word they seemed to understand. good thing we have electric choice here in pa. bub |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| reply to nospin2
Re: What? PPL using the older BPL chipsets
said by nospin2 :
Earthlink using Ambient`s 200 mbps BPL chipsets... Actually the chipsets are DS2's. PPL's Amperion equipment used DS2 chips, too.
also PANASONIC had newer 170 mbps BPL chipsets...
DS2 200 mbps Ham Radio-friendly BPL chipsets !!!
Homeplug says their chips are "ham-friendly", too.
I think this spin cycle is about over. Time to take out the emperor's clothes. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to nospin2
Right on cue.
Think you can avoid the truth? Guess again.
you = owned
/end self now. |
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