RustyTheDog
Premium
join:2003-05-27
Trenton, NJ | Catch
I KNEW there had to be some catch to FIOS. Still can't wait for it though. |
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christos
join:2002-01-09
Bridgewater, MA | Cry me a river .....
Please let me dump copper for ever. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL | Leave Copper?
Copper has been in the ground of years, why can't they just leave it there? |
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TeatherWind
join:2001-08-21
Euless, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| Awww.. poor guy..
Awww.. poor guy. Yeah.. the copper is pulled from the home. There is a few reasons I can think that they do this. One, it would be a hassle in Verizon's provisioning systers to figure out if a customer is supposed to be on copper/fiber.
The only complaint that I would have about not having copper is if the home loses power for 8+ hours, but then again, I guess phone service would be the least of my worries.
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INeedToRegister
@rr.com | Tell Installers to Leave Copper Alone?
Can't you tell the install techs to not touch your copper? Is it required to cut the copper off completely to install Fios? |
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dellsweig
Extreme Aerobatics
Premium,MVM
join:2003-12-10
Campbell Hall, NY
 ·Time Warner VOIP
·Vonage
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| When street power fails...
Just a dumb observation....
Copper allowed the phone Co to supply their own independant power (48VDC) on the copper pair. With fiber, there is no electrical connection - essentially, a voice 'line' IS VoIP.
Also, with no physical copper pair, I wonder how 911 works.. Same as VoIP - simple database lookup??
I wonder how Verizon addresses this traditional reliability issue?? |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
3 edits | FiOS vs copper Plant
You get a UPS and power supply that is locally powered. When the big storm hits, after 8 or so hours, your phone and Internet are dead. So it is only going to be as reliable as the power to your home is.
I understand that Verizon has the right to pick and choose who can re-sell bandwidth services on their FiOS fiber.
But this does rule out DSL..
Edited for correction |
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HOYCE
join:2003-12-27
|  Fiber
Who cares if you lose your copper connection,I wish we would get Fiber here,but it would be nice to have a light service but big deal if you lose you copper oh no your internet kicks ass but I wanna save 2 dollars,man people will find anything to complain about,I lose faith in the human race when I see dumb things like that to complain about. |
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seaquake
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-23
Millersville, MD
clubs:  
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Rob
Re: Leave Copper?
said by Rob  :Copper has been in the ground of years, why can't they just leave it there? Realistically, they could. But they want to move as many people off of legacy copper (and that is what it is) as possible. Having someone move from fiber back to copper would be like asking to go from tone dialing back to pulse.
Times have changed and so has the technology. It's time to move on. |
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druber
join:2000-04-11
Marlborough, MA
·VOIPo
| reply to dellsweig
Re: When street power fails...
no, it's just like a POTS line in that respect. not really like VOIP at all - the ONT supplies the power to the copper inside your house. interestingly, i tried a DSL qual check on someone's house who has FIOS now, and it said they couldn't get DSL but could get FIOS... |
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jakedi
Ironhorse From Chickasaw And Chirachau
join:2000-11-11
Barrington, IL
clubs: | ??
Fucking Greedy BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| reply to HOYCE
Re: Fiber
It makes sense though.
As someone points out below there is almost a "conspiracy" feel about it. If Verizon takes down the copper then no one can touch it, not CLECs or anyone. Basically you can see the future where Verizon owns your TV,phone, internet and there is no way to change anything. Then, you pay what they say you pay. Regulation may be gone in the future, then what?
People make changes to services they do get if money becomes tight or for other reasons. If there is no competing broadband provider then you have to pay for the FIOS.
What if you move out and someone else moves in? No copper so they get the same problem. They pay what Verizon says they pay. |
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The Way Out
join:2003-01-20
| reply to NY Tel
Re: FiOS vs copper Plant
This is incorrect. Verizon is allowing 3rd party ISPs to resell FIOS "loops." DSLExtreme has successfully installed their first FIOS "loop" in Southern California already. This is a true layer 2 reseller deal -- DSLX is using their own layer 3 ip network. |
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | It's hard.
It's hard for me to feel sorry for these people. You can't always get everything you want. I'm pretty sure overall the pros outweigh the cons, and the amount of people wanting to switch back to plain DSL would be very small. |
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pcdebb
RIP dadkins
Premium
join:2000-12-03
Tampa, FL
clubs:
| reply to Rob
Re: Leave Copper?
i'll never have this problem to worry about. I absolutely hated DSL and vow to NEVER EVER go back to it EVER. If I leave fiber, I'll go back to RR if anything.
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asdjf
join:2005-01-01 | reply to Speedy8
Re: It's hard.
I know, right?? I can't imagine why anyone would want to switch to dsl if they had the opportunity to get fiber. |
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GreggE
Thinking - Thinking
Premium
join:2003-06-01
Mid Tenn | Lose Copper
Why would anyone want to give up FIOS to go back to DSL? How much money could he save by doing so...$5 a month? I'd sacrifice McDonald's once a month to keep a FIOS connection. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Speakeasy has OneLink
Speakeasy has OneLink and they will pull their cable in for few dollars extra per month - my line is OneLink for over a year now, no $40 'penalty' fee for Verizon for a dry line. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| let's look into the future....
let's look ahead a little into the broadband future.....
2005: You've got your fios, and although they took away your copper you don't care and are delirious with joy...
2007: fios is widespread in your area, but aside from cable it's the only other game in town for broadband - the telco decides that it can raise rates and start extracting their duopoly (or monopoly) rents from their customers; in addition, customer service has been steadily declining and your connection isn't always the greatest (no competition, why should the telco care?)
2008: you're really fed up with the telco and would like to switch to something cheaper, even if it is slower - what are the choices? Cable (high price, iffy quality of service, crappy customer service) or ???????; oops, the only choice is cable (note: satellite is not considered by this writer to be a real substitute)! Earthlink could offer you DSL (FCC still requires sharing of the copper loop), but the copper's not there anymore and the telcos are not required to share the fiber. Earthlink will be happy to run some fresh copper to your house for only $1000!
A plausible scenario? Maybe not, but at the rate things are going, in a couple of years the choices will be cable or fiber (in verizon areas), a duopoly. When equilibrium is reached be prepared to start seeing broadband rate increases .
As long as telcos are not required to share the fiber, when they take away your copper you are locked out of any other broadband solution except cable. Independent ISPs will be quickly becoming a thing of the past. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | reply to RustyTheDog
Re: Catch
I wonder what happens if the person sells his/her house and the buyer only wants a landline then what?
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