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4 edits |  Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB
Verizon lays out on their web page and in their customer agreements what "Unlimited" means. The old adage "Buyer Beware" applies. »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/prom···iniStartNationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. All "Unlimited" means is that there is no SET number of minutes or data transfers attached to the plan. Those who have problems with that should take a course in marketing. Then maybe they will begin to understand the term "hyperbole".
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Minister
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Fleeting | Fine. But don't advertise it as unlimited, because any way you slice it, it isn't. Clearly there are limits.
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Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general.
They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by packetscan  :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
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Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB
i've never gotten this letter, and I have a kb counter of 31 gigabytes on my phone. |
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I am curious to know if they are sending these letters out to their huge corporate accounts. You know some executive for some fortune 500 company has gone way over the so called "Limit" they have set. Do they bother them with those letters? I bet not. Too much money at stake.
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Fleeting | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Send me the letter!
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The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
Oh give me a break. |
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Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB
Typical marketing speak, wrap a turd in foil and call it candy.
You might want to turn your attention to dictionary.com and review what unlimited means. We can both agree that in its unadulterated by marketing mits sense, it means without limits. So if there's limits to how you can use it, then it's limited, right?
If it means "use it whenever you want", then say that. If it means "use it for as many business applications as you want just don't use it for screwing around on the Internet and porn", then say it. |
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Re: Send me the letter!
said by TKJunkMail :Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. The FTC does regulate how products and services are advertised. For some reason they are not going after the "unlimited" issue.
In the 70's they went hog wild against the stereo makers for truth in advertising specs (frequency range, distortion, wattage) , but since then seem to have avoided the new technology field. |
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Pirate515
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The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term.
Oh give me a break. It all comes down to who has a more powerful lawyer. I do, however, agree that Verizon has a double standard here. If they advertise it as unlimited, why would they care what it's used for?
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Fleeting | Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network: fine.
Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network while advertising unlimited service: not fine. |
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Pirate515
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Re: Corporate accounts
said by RoguePimp :I am curious to know if they are sending these letters out to their huge corporate accounts. You know some executive for some Fortune 500 company has gone way over the so called "Limit" they have set. Do they bother them with those letters? I bet not. Too much money at stake. What a crock!!! Right on. Corporate accounts generate much more revenue for Verizon than individual Joe Schmoes like us. It only takes one pissed off CxO to move an account with hundreds or thousands of lines to competition.
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Re: Verizon lays out limitations of "unlimited" BB
I think this is more an argument on abuse of service than "unlimited" usage. The 2 guys who got the letter said they are downloading games, and game updates, as well as songs from Napster. They also are using this as a dedicated Internet connection to which the letter does allude to. All of those are clearly defined in the TOS as violations.
However I do believe Verizon Wireless is misleading people a bit with their new advertising campaign of "Why use coffee hot spots when you can use us almost anywhere..."
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Re: Send me the letter!
said by Minister :Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network: fine. Limiting bandwidth consumption on your own network while advertising unlimited service: not fine. Well, that's exactly the problem with Verizon's advertising. They could advertise all the restrictions right in potential customers' faces, but do you honestly think that they would sign up as many people for limited service as they would for unlimited one. Fine print or not, it still sounds like a bait-and-switch to me, and I intend to steer clear of Verizon for the time being.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by packetscan :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. So would it be okay if you were a supermarket and you sent out a flyer advertising everything as free, and put all the price tags on the shelfs saying free, then when everyone went to buy stuff say "oh i'm sorry, if you'll read the fine print free really means the msrp of the items". |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by packetscan :Send me the letter and I'll send it right back with the advertisement of unlimited service. Then if they still want to push the issue I'd call the attorney general. They Much be held accountable for their advertising. There is a law regarding "truth in advertising" which states you can no lie to the consumer. Their terms are well laid out on their web page and in the customer agreement. And advertising is so imprecise legally that you almost never get a company for lying. The word "unlimited" has such a wide array of meanings that it can't be held up as a precise legal term. LOL ya theres a LOT alright rofl......
dictionary.com----
un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td)
adj.
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.
Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol
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As BR indicates, there is some history of this with other companies (Comcast). From what I recall, those other companies (Comcast) did not enforce the warning in their letters either. I doubt Verizon will enforce them either. It's nothing but a ploy to scare thier customers into using less resources. I think we probably all agree Verizon would not have a leg to stand on if they actually tried to enforce their _threats_. |
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said by HotRodFoto :dictionary.com---- un·lim·it·ed Audio pronunciation of "unlimited" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td) adj. 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket. 2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon. 3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence. Theres a lotta meanings to the word 'shit' too lol Yes, well I am sure a lawyer can find a lot of wiggle room in the official synonyms from Roget's Thesaurus in defending the term "unlimited" in court.
Main Entry: unlimited
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: extensive
Synonyms: absolute, all-encompassing, all-out, boundless, complete, countless, endless, full, full-blown, full-out, full-scale, great, illimitable, immeasurable, immense, incalculable, incomprehensible, indefinite, infinite, interminable, limitless, measureless, no strings, numberless, total, totalitarian, unbounded, unconditional, unconfined, unconstrained, unfathomed, unfettered, universal, unqualified, unrestrained, unrestricted, untold, vast, wide open --
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This is a good thing EV-DO is not meant to be used as a broadband substitute. It is meant for use not abuse. If every one used it in place of broadband then it would bring the regular network to it's knees.
You can't really expect verizon to let people transfer 60 gigs on a cell based service. I mean geez there is only so many slots on each tower. You get 100 people using all the bandwidth and then people complain about not being able to use the phone after the slots for phones are used.
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