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Hello SBC it's your customers that are going to these site.
Might i add you are already receiving monies from said customers.
This is just @#$%#@$%@#$%~~! | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: WTF uhm i dont get it, google's bits only go over the SBC network if requested by someone allready buying bandwidth from SBC. seems to me SBC is just pissed more people use google then their yahoo portal.
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'SBC Yahoo!' - I would expect that there is already some cash flow here between the 2 companies. What's next - SBC/Yahoo having a spat similar to Cogentco/Level 3 ? | |
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| | | Sounds more like greed is really in the air again, or was it ever gone?
I can see where this could lead, have to wonder what the future of the internet will be if companies have to also pay for bandwidth over networks just for endusers to use.
What joke that would be, so who owns SBC, is this an American company. | |
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Santa Clara, CA | Ed must be smoking the same stuff as the RIAA(saying they deserve a cut of the ipod sales).
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| | | | Re: WTF Many good points (especially the smoking pipes references!). I think montana3087 has the best point.
Mr. Ed would love to start charging the Googles and Yahoos, who would then have to turn around and charge you a monthly fee to use their service. I think this guy is out of touch with reality. | |
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43055 | said by montana3087:Ed must be smoking the same stuff as the RIAA(saying they deserve a cut of the ipod sales). Exactly what I was thinking when I read the story. Where in the hell do some of these companies get off thinking that they somehow deserve a cut of the revenue being generated by some other company! Corporate America's greed truly knows no bounds  .
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: WTF They learned it from the government, which seems intent upon transferring as much of my wealth as possible to undeserving lazy people whose hands are never full enough despite years of holding them out. | |
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| | | SBC Wants to Make BBR Pay next where does it stop, how a bout microsoft! | |
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Baltimore, MD | Re: WTF said by BIGMIKE:SBC Wants to Make BBR Pay next where does it stop, how a bout microsoft! There with Microsoft, They Challenge Bill/MSN and he will eat there children!!!!! Not saying it would not be a hard fight for Microsoft to take on the telco but I think Microsoft Would still end up kicking there *ss. | |
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| | | Once Again, BBR posts shady stories that requires people to read...The actual commment is:
How concerned are you about Internet upstarts like Google (GOOG ), MSN, Vonage, and others?
How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?
The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo! (YHOO ) or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts!
SBC is trying to keep these startup ISPs from getting FREE transport over SBC's pipes, or comcast's or anyone else who actually built their own network. Why should a company get ripped off by another company that doesnt want to pay a fee for using their network?
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| | | | And it ends where? So where does this end?
Blizzard makes millions using broadband with WOW. Should they then be required to pay SBC and cable companies because their customer's choose to use Blizzard's service?
My wife uses IWON as her homepage, should IWON have to pay SBC a fee because my wife chooses to use that "portal"?
I like to play computer games, should those companies have to start paying all broadband providers because they make money from a service I choose to use?
I just purchased some software and used my BB connection to download it, should they forward a chunk to SBC?
You see where this is going? I purchase a broadband internet connection from them. They think just because someone else makes additional money because of my use of it, they should get a piece of it. Well they don't deserve it, regardless of how you try to angle this. | |
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| | | | | Re: And it ends where? Dude what are you talking about?
Go read the Article again.
Because you missed the item that ed said.
I'll rephrase so you can understand " All your base belong to us".
Get it ? good! Because everyone else does.
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If the FCC doesn't nip this in the bud, watch for organized crime to start buying ISP's - imagine, they can shake businesses down without ever leaving the comforts of home!
I personally hope Google tells Ed to go pound sand - when Ed's customers find they can't get to what is arguably one of the top destinations on the web, I suspect many are going to start looking for other broadband providers! | |
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| | | | | Re: WTF said by WhyADuck:I don't see why you would use the word "shady" to describe this item - I came across that Business Week article before I ever read about it here on BBR and had almost EXACTLY the same take on it as is being posted here. If Ed gets away with this, it will be open season every provider of content. Oh, you have a popular destination or service? Well, the Podunk Communications Corporation demands you pay us, or we're going to block our customers' access to your service/site! I wonder if Ed is thinking of taking it the other way? I mean, why not charge his customers for the bandwidth they are using? That way, he'll get Google, Yahoo and all the others delivering content to customers.
Nice to see that Ma Bell is coming back--like Terminator 2. You smash it to bits and they slowly re-accrete and come back just as strong as before. | |
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kudos:3 | Do you realize how stupid this is?
SBC wants to redefine the internet. If they are going to charge the likes of Google, Yahoo, or Vonage, then why are charging the home subscriber to use the internet?
Sounds allot like double dipping to me.
I am all for business making a profit, but I draw the line at greed - and this IS greed no matter how you look at it. If they even try to pull this stunt, this will price the internet out of reach of many. Google already pays for transport, the end user pays for internet too. So now google and other "start-ups" would have to pay not only their own internet provider but SBC, Comcast, and others? - in the words of SBC.
I am glad they brought this point up now while they are asking for permission to buy AT&T.
For the record, Mr SBC, the "return on your pipes" comes from your monthly end user subscriber - dipwad! Man, I feel like I'm driving down a toll road in Chicago - every 5 miles you have to stop and drop a quarter to go on. | |
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| | | | Hmmm...Google and Yahoo are currently mere portals to the internet...aka websites. I think (maybe), what he is saying is that if these "websites" decide they want to be ISPs (aka Earthlink) using wireless technology...they should have to pay to use the existing network, and if not, they will not be allowed to use SBC's pipe...but to me that should already be a given thanks to our nicely "paid for" FCC...I dunno, but he sure didn't come across very well with that statement even IN the context of the artice. He needs to smoke some more off that pipe and mellow out | |
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| | | | | Re: WTF But what is SBC going to do if/when Google and other decide to implement their own structure, which is very possible. A company like Google and M$ definately have the revenue to do something like this.
SBC could end up being assed out, and as well they should be. | |
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Santa Clara, CA | Re: WTF That's right, those companies are much larger and have more money and users(both very powerful) then SBC. And now Bell South says their going to be blocking ports for certain applications, that should be attracting the attention of the FCC or at least the FTC. And the "anti-regulation" groups are poo-pooing the FCC for adding these regulations in to the Telecom Act and the mergers of both Verizon/MCI and SBC/AT&T. But I guess we'll see if the FCC has the balls to stand-up to these companies first. Because I'm telling you now that SBC isn't the only fish in the sea for broadband where I live.
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kudos:2 | said by CableConvert:I think (maybe), what he is saying is that if these "websites" decide they want to be ISPs (aka Earthlink) using wireless technology...they should have to pay to use the existing network, and if not, they will not be allowed to use SBC's pipe...but to me that should already be a given thanks to our nicely "paid for" FCC...I dunno, but he sure didn't come across very well with that statement even IN the context of the artice. He needs to smoke some more off that pipe and mellow out That is my guess as well.
I also agree, the way this guy gives interview, he is inviting trouble.
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First, recall that local telephone companies still recover from both the end user AND the long distance company for using the services paid for by the end user to connect to the long distance company. This creates a mindset that both your customer and the provider he's trying to reach can be extorted for money. (This ignores the fact that Ed has competition for ISP business that he doesn't have for local telco business, but he's too dense to grasp that.)
Second, remember that these guys were the guys that tried to outlaw advertising-driven phone book covers on the ground that they were "illegal connections to the network." They will try anything to fully control every aspect of the customer's interaction with their company.
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| | | Pay no attention to Ed's off the cuff remarks.
He has a long history as SBC CEO saying utterly stupid and blatantly false things.
This statement will be clarified in less than 9 weeks, just like when he said that all SBC customers have the choice and to access to DSL service.
I'm sure he was referencing Google/Yahoo/VOIP providers who want to offer bandwidth intensive services to people will have to pay for that bandwidth.
I don't think Ed meant he wanted money for SBC customer's eyes and minds. That would be so 6 years ago.
The real victims of Ed Whitacre are the SBC shareholders. | |
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11219 | Freedom of information Well, I guess SBC CEO forgot he is living in the USA and not China. | |
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| | | Re: So how many people have to pay? It's just silly posturing on SBC's part. All Google or for that matter any service that would be subject to this extortion could retaliate by blocking requests coming from SBC customers. They can either watch their customer base dwindle or they will change their tune. | |
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kudos:1 | Cut off service If they try to charge Google and Yahoo for using their pipes, this can only get worse. I can just see Google and Yahoo cutting off service to SBC's IP block. | |
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| | | Re: Cut off service that would mean no more email for us SBC users who use our addys! | |
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| | | Yahoo is SBC's buisiness parter for their DSL service. They provide the homepage, email, etc. I don't know why he even mentioned them. | |
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| Hello? Ed? Care to retract or "clarify"? What a stupid statement. It doesn't even remotely make sense. I pay for DSL service in order to use Google (and look at their ads), or whatever the hell I want. If Ed wants to create his own brand of content and try and sell it to me, fine. But, Ed has no right to tell me how I use my connection.
Go ahead. Try it Ed. See how many people flock to cable.
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84092 | Re: Hello? Ed? Care to retract or "clarify"? Has this guy received a check up lately? lol that has to be one of the funniest quotes I have seen in a while
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If the company actually starts blocking certain web sites, that would probably be the bucket-kicker for the company's residential (and possibly business) accounts.
I am sure one of the biggest class-action lawsuits of our time would quickly follow. | |
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| |  Whiteacre is an idiot
And with his getting AT&T in the merger he already will get paid by 100's of thousands of web sites that are hosted by AT&T and who also pay to access the internet thru AT&T.
He must be taking lessons from the bozos at the RIAA who think Apple should kick in part of their iPod revenues because they have music on them.
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How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?
The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo! or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts! "
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I like that he "ain't going to let them [use the pipes for free]." Evidently the money that SBC subscribers pay is so low it is considered free by SBC. It seems that subscribers are supposed to purchase DSL from SBC, but they are not supposed to use it. By his logic, AOL should have to pay SBC for their dial-up users. What a steaming pile of telco-think.
This is why the beleaguered Lightspeed project and the defunct Project Pronto will take much, much longer to roll out. They are more focused on ROI for the shareholders than providing the services customers want. As a business they have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders, but to solely focus on this means that there will be market opportunities that they will miss. Maybe not today, but I cannot see this strategy succeeding. | |
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Broadband is a commodity provided by many. He is stuck in the past monopoly way of thinking. (stuck on stupid?) | |
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| | daring They will give it a try DON'T LET THEM BUY COMCAST AFTER THEY CHANGE TO AT&T name
These tactics are to see where they stand and if they can get more money. A__holes. Money grubs
if they do this and google doesn't pay CUSTOMERS will suffer
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| | | Re: daring nothing wrong with being greedy and making money... that's what a free capitalist society is about, you don't have to like it
but being greedy sometimes doesn't pay off, which in this case, it looks like SBC will eventually lose all the customers once their contract is ended | |
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| | | why buy Comcast Charter is selling off certain markets. SBC would just pick them up if they wanted in on that. | |
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| | | | | Re: daring L3 did it so they could charge Cogent. Now SBC thinks that they can do it. Just because they're peered together.
And it doesnt say anything about filtering it just says they want paid and even says Yahoo! not just Google. | |
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SARCASM> Yeah poor old SBC the good sumaritan. Losing money providing bandwidth their customers already pay for. I think I'm about to shed a tear for them. Why does big bad google and vonage have to provide services that allow users to take advantage of broadband?! It's not fair!
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Of course, he's free to cut off access to any website that doesn't pay up, but he should expect a revolt from his customers when they realize that the Internet access they paid for doesn't actually include access to any Internet sites! (Hey, at least they wouldn't have to cap the connections!  )
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kudos:3 | Re: Why should they? said by Jason Levine:... but he should expect a revolt from his customers when they realize that the Internet access they paid for doesn't actually include access to any Internet sites! (Hey, at least they wouldn't have to cap the connections! ) Yea, no kidding.. sounds to me like SBC wants to go back to what AOL was in the beginning of being an online community with some internet access. That goes over really well. Of course this was what allot of the online services were in the beginning but they learned that it wasn't going to cut it with that model and had to become an all out ISP.
Sadly, telephone is like dominoes, where one falls into place, so will others.. if SBC gets away with this, who's next? Verizon? Qwest? | |
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| | Poor Man Sounds like he isn't getting any from mama...
Guess he has to blame somebody. | |
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| | Devil's Advocate I'm trying to think of a devils advocate argument but I can't. Is there any way in the world his position could be justified? The only way I can think of them getting away with it is to alter the TOS/AUP to forbid certain protocols and websites. I really don't like that thought at all. | |
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| | SBC cya! I'm dumping them just as soon as my contract is up. This stupid attempt for more cash along with not providing higher speeds when alot other ISP's are has finally broken this camels back. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: SBC cya! Why wait for a contract to run out? My last cell phone provider thought their $150.00 termination fee was going to keep me as a customer, continuing to pay a monthly service for crap just because I had that fee over my head. When I said I was cancelling my service because of their poor quality and crappy policies, she told me I couldn't because I was in a contract and there was a termination fee. (Wow, many things wrong with that statement) My comment in return? Would you like that on a Visa? or do you want to take a check by phone. I also reminded her that because of their crappy service, they may get the $150.00 from me now, an amount equal to two months service, but they we going to loose out on another 8 months of billings too. I win, they loose.
Don't let a "contract" make you leave.
Seriously, if this is going to change, something has to happen NOW from customers. Either they must send complaints to the FCC on this statement, call their senators or reps, AND write a letter to SBC. Don't send an email, get out a piece of paper, a pen, and a .37 cent stamp and write. An old fashion letter of disgust still remains much more powerful than an easy-to-shoot-off email that will most likely get dumped into an inbox folder. | |
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| | | Monopoly is all a game, if they can keep alternative from being available to you, what choice do you have? Would I dump them over other technology that are symmetrical and cheap as well? In a heart beat.
asymmetrical sucks donkey balls.
asymmetrical stinks.
asymmetrical are for mindless user.
asymmetrical keeps people deprived of their needs and have to depend on 3rd party with a big pipe to get what is advertised.
With symmetrical connection, they will still set the upload very low still. To keep us all in checks.
With symmetrical connection, they will still set the upload very low still. To keep us all in line with their marketing slogan of "upload is very expensive". Do you smell a lie? Are ya this gullible? Why would you buy that?
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1 edit | SBC Wants to [s]Make Google Pay[/s] Kill the Net If Ed means what he is saying, he will effectly kill off his internet/broadband business. the whole idea of buying a broadband pipe will vanish in a cloud of pipe-smoke. POOF!
Get a grip on reality, Mr. Ed and give your customers what they really want: quality service, top-notch support, and a decent price.. Once you do that, you will gain customers and the profit they bring.
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