Insder
There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA | Still no reason for DRM stuff.
Releasing a patch to make it visible still keeps it there, and doesn't make a hidden DRM rootkit right.
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WiZZLa
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join:2003-11-09
Canada | Kudos to Sysinternal
Thank you Sysinternal & Mark Russinovich for revealing this. If Sony & First 4 Internet weren't caught, we wouldn't have been told or offered a partial "fix." |
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toddbs98
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| More reason to pirate
It seems to me this gives people more reason to pirate music and get something they know is safe than buy malware ridden crap from the big music companies.
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BonezX
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join:2004-04-13
Canada | kinda funny how it turned around eh.
to get music you used to have to get mailware ridden crap to download it. |
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DiscardedVet
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join:2005-04-06
Sturgis, SD
| Why The Sony Contact For Removal ?
Now, I do realize that ridding a PC of a rootkit can be daunting, and still render a PC useless - I have to wonder if there are any other reasons one must contact Sony for removal? Is there information from what the rootkits apps have acquired that Sony wants? Does the Sony removal actually remove it?
Hardly "paranoid" questions, considering the issue.
DV
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treetop1000
join:2003-11-07
Lexington, KY
| BMG's demise
I can tell you that there will be lawyers making huge sums of money off this cheap attempt to control content.
I'm also quite sure that there will not be any compensation for the true victims of this fiasco, the actual users who purchased this.
Which brings up another question: could Sony be sued for hacking into computers, as this could be an exploit that would create opportunity for other criminals?
Can we take on the RIAA in the home court? Under US law?
Hmmmmmmmm |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Anything is possible
There are ways to for everypath in life and also same goes for techology. |
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plk
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| Where do I get this????
Where to I get this crap from? A Sony CD or what? I just need to know so I can be sure NOT to buy any of it. I will go without.... No thanks Sony.
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packetscan
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join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
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| Call Who for what?
Your joking right? OMG your not!
I have to call Sony for instructions? That's just total Ass!
Anyone else see a privacy issue there?
Sure they can check there website logs for visitors but this is much more intrusive.
They shouldn't be including this Type or DRM "." |
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grcore
New and Improved
join:2003-12-06
usa
1 edit | reply to plk
Re: Where do I get this????
If you download the P2P version of the music, chances are slim that it will have this DRM in it.
Sony's tactics are likely to drive more folks to P2P...
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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3 edits | reply to Insder
Re: Still no reason for DRM stuff.
said by Insder  :Releasing a patch to make it visible still keeps it there, and doesn't make a hidden DRM rootkit right. You are correct. And having to ask SONY to give you uninstall instructions is abominable.
If they want to protect their CD with DRM that is their right --- BUT ---
1 - It should be plastered all over the front of the CD case before you buy it.
2 - It should require you to respond to prompts that it is being installed and that it will alter and potentially break your CD drive access for other products.
3 - It should include standard uninstall procedures and be un-installable from the "ADD/REMOVE" option in the Windows control panel.
P.S> I am sure the uninstall instructions will be findable from a Google search before the day is out.
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somebodeez
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join:2001-09-24
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| AnyDVD tackles Sony DRM Rootkit Virus
Since March 2005, Sony BMG is using a rootkit-based DRM system on some newer audio CDs. This DRM system is a serious hazard to each Windows based PC. Well known websites like F-Secure.com and SysInternals.com are confirming this exposure.
If AnyDVD is installed and active on a PC, this new so-called "Sony DRM Rootkit Virus" has no access to the operating system and the affected audio CD appears unprotected regardless!
»www.cdfreaks.com/news/12624 |
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DiscardedVet
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join:2005-04-06
Sturgis, SD
1 edit | PC Admin Rights A Must To Listen
Here's something else I just noted from Sony's FAQ, which, in of itself circumvents what PC users are urged to do - not run under Administrative rights; yet, within Sony's minimum requirements to listen to these CD's is that the user must have Administrative priviledges.
Go figger
Has anyone seen a copy of the EULA? I am curious as to the wording that states a rootkit is being installed, that unauthorized removal of that rootkit may void any further use of ones own damn CDROM.
DV
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to Insder
Re: Still no reason for DRM stuff.
said by Insder :Releasing a patch to make it visible still keeps it there, and doesn't make a hidden DRM rootkit right. I got a better fix for Sony. How about I buy your CD, open it, and when it doesn't function on a limited-user rights account, I return it as a defective product? No offense, but if I can't rip your CD to un-DRMed MP3s compatible with my MP3 player, then the entire CD line is useless to me as a consumer.
Let the retail chains take the massive amount of defective product returns back to Sony and deal with them. |
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No_Code
join:2003-12-12
| Todays Legal Climate
Given todays legal climate where somebody can sue someone else for pretty much anything, I don't think that it would be too hard to sue against Sony for this, especially if data loss has occurred as a result of their product. As the original article suggests, an unskilled person could seriously mess up their computer if they attempt a "surgical removal" of this draconian piece of software. However, what most computer-savvy people would do is reformat the computer.
For the non-computer-savvy, the cost(s) of removing this software can be significant, both in terms of actual downtime (provided that the affected system is central to ones livelihood) and the costs to hire someone to remove the software and/or reinstall the operating systems. I'm not an aspiring lawyer or anything, but I can say with confidence that Sony/First 4 Internet is treading on some shaky ground with this piece-o-chit software. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Thaler
Re: Still no reason for DRM stuff.
said by Thaler :said by Insder :Releasing a patch to make it visible still keeps it there, and doesn't make a hidden DRM rootkit right. I got a better fix for Sony. How about I buy your CD, open it, and when it doesn't function on a limited-user rights account, I return it as a defective product? No offense, but if I can't rip your CD to un-DRMed MP3s compatible with my MP3 player, then the entire CD line is useless to me as a consumer. Let the retail chains take the massive amount of defective product returns back to Sony and deal with them. Unfortunately stores usually have a pretty strong policy on open music and software cd's. I had a similar incidence at fry's. I bought a DVD ripping package (321studios.com) which needed to be activated online but their site said 'due to pressure from the MPAA we are no longer activating any more copies of 'that software'. there was nothing about the online activation on the package and because the software was opened, the store manager refused to refund my money and he was firm on the fact. didnt even offer me store credit.
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Cozworth
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join:2003-06-10
england
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Re: Where do I get this????
Remember those old Audio CD writers, so the copy isn't an exact digital copy but it creates a "proper" audio CD without this bunkum, that then can be safely ripped.
Handy to still have |
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Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge
join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH
clubs: | reply to No_Code
Re: Todays Legal Climate
couldn't have said it better myself.
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radarman
join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
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Re: Still no reason for DRM stuff.
I believe you may have a legit right to "hack" that program. It wouldn't be the first time, either.
I have actually had to download "cracks" to run software that I have a legitimate (as in paid-for) license to use. X-win32, for example, restricts you to 3 reinstalls, even on the same hardware. Not knowing that, I blew through my 3 installs in less than 6 months. So, even though I still have a valid maintenance license, I had to go and download the crack. (In all fairness, the company did offer me two "freebie" activations - but I decided to go with the crack anyway - since I reinstall frequently)
Now, when I buy a product that requires "product activation" I immediately go and download the crack for it. It generally saves a lot of hassle down the road.
Yes, I do buy the software I use (or use a GPL'ed version) - I just don't feel the need to jump through hoops to prove it to the software developer. |
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redxii
too big to fail
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join:2001-02-26
Texas | reply to DiscardedVet
Re: PC Admin Rights A Must To Listen
Look on the bright side, at least the limited account will stop this unauthorized activity. |
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