kv5e
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Mesquite, TX | Because We Can
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Does This Mean Pulver Broke the EULA?
When Pulver attended the FCC meeting remotely using EVDO, was he breaking the EULA? If so, did he tell that to the FCC?
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hurl8
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join:2003-01-21
Ontario, CA |  I'm sure they can hear you now
unlimited means limited. Can you hear me now. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: Because We Can
Verizon is selling browsing and email for their EVDO offering. They aren't selling a p2p music downloading machine or a VOIP machine, etc. If you don't like that - use another product.
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chesney09
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join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
clubs: | THAN DON'T MARKET IT AS UNLIMITED BROADBAND! That is the ONLY point everyone is making reagrding this issue. Sell it and limit it how ever you want.. But then don't claim it it UNLIMITED! PLAIN AND SIMPLE. |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to TKJunkMail
Finally, someone without this "hate Corporate America" attitude on this board! |
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stickfigure
join:2002-06-11
El Cajon, CA
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said by TKJunkMail  :Verizon is selling browsing and email for their EVDO offering. They aren't selling a p2p music downloading machine or a VOIP machine, etc. If you don't like that - use another product. "Speed
Quickly download complex files and view email attachments with average download speeds of 400-700 kbps capable of reaching up to 2.0Mbps." straight off Verizon's website: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobi···view.jsp
I'm not sure of your understanding of "Complex Files" but it sure as hell doesn't equal browsing/email and nothing else.
I think what everyone is frustrated about here Tomkcr is that they sell the product as "Unlimited" and then in the small print disclose it as "well as long as your only browsing or looking at email...." |
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TKJunkMail
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said by rachelsfx :Finally, someone without this "hate Corporate America" attitude on this board! And boy do I get hammered for it on a regular basis. But I laugh all the way to the bank as my portfolio grows.
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | Me 2! LOL |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to hurl8
Re: I'm sure they can hear you now
No, you...sky..cket is go..g .t. C...t he** yo... |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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Re: Because We Can
I agree - sell it, push it, promote it as it can do everything. 'Unlimited Broadband Access' - only you're limited to do narrowband tasks.
No VoIP
No streaming
No downloading videos/mp3's
I was thinking about purchasing this (or something like it) for my work. However, I need to be able to run X/Motif over VPN for monitoring, and remote desktop.
Just in case anyone thinks that its only Verizon - I checked Cingular's out, and it has a similar EULA. I thought about Sprint (haven't checked its EULA), however store sales reps assure me (yeah right!) that there's no limits, and can be used for VoIP, streaming, etc. |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Who is forcing you to use verizon?
Waaah waaay cry cry. use something else. Complaining wont get you anywhere. Market pressures will. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| You'll never convince the corp wonks
The term unlimited to them means 'What the corporations say unlimited means'. The term unlimited to everyone else means exactly what the dictionary says.. 'without limits'.
Verizon is lying. Verizon is using false advertisement. It's an open and shut case. "If you're going to restrict consumption in any way, then don't tag your service as "unlimited"."
They know the value of the word UNLIMITED. It excites the customer. It makes the customer think they are getting a great deal! It's a VERY powerful marketing word.
Time for the Attorney Generals, FCC and other agencies to step in and start penalizing Verizon. And not slap on the wrist penalties, I'm talking forcing verzion to live up to what they advertised they were selling. UNLIMITED bandwidth, UNLIMITED everything over their network, for all existing consumers, for as long as Verizon locked them into a contract. I'm talking personal penalities on ALL the executives of Verizon. I'm talking making the executives hurt financially, personally, for the damage they caused by their lies.
Of course, the corporate drones think that we exist to serve Verizon. The reality is quite different of course. Look at the damage Sony is taking already. As more and more people become technologically aware, the big corps are playing bigger and bigger risks. As soon as all the neocons are kicked out of congress in 2006/2008, hopefully we can go back to an internet that benefits the people.
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
1 edit | My Thoughts on the Hate Corporate America Types
Oh, please! You really think words, not $$$$, talks? All most people on this board do is gripe because biz is pulling the plug on stealing, P2P, and making hogs pay for bandwidth. I own stock in these companies. I say DUMP HEAVY USERS USING P2P since 99% is for stealing anyway. It's in most "EULA's." Most of us biz types use secure means to transport data. As far as VOIP, if these bozos can't figure out 911, they should go out of business. They also should pay FCC access charges just like every other telephone provider (they use the network--why should pots customers subsidize Vonage?). Personally, I'm sick of hearing all this "I want it free" from the Gen-Yers and people that view everything as "free" if tech can do it. Stop whining and pay for what you use and quit thinking we are going to give you everything for free. DSLReports.com users have become a whimpering, stammering, hodge-podge of "hate Corporate America" with simple intelligence that doesn't understand nothing's for free. Buy the CD, the DVD, and pay your way. Your parents did. Why can't you? |
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yepgor
@optonline.net | are you reading their ads correctly?
Are you sure they didn't advertise it as "uhh... limited" internet access. |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
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Re: You'll never convince the corp wonks
said by G_Poobah :Time for the Attorney Generals, FCC and other agencies to step in and start penalizing Verizon. And not slap on the wrist penalties, I'm talking forcing verzion to live up to what they advertised they were selling. UNLIMITED bandwidth, UNLIMITED everything over their network, for all existing consumers, for as long as Verizon locked them into a contract. I'm talking personal penalities on ALL the executives of Verizon. I'm talking making the executives hurt financially, personally, for the damage they caused by their lies. Because, you know, all-you-can-eat buffets have to let you eat as much as you can with no restrictions whatsoever (so what if they do not want to stay open until 5 am) and unlimited minute phone plans have to really give you unlimited minutes (even if you decide to run a telemarketing service on your line) and a disneyland annual passport really does have to give you access to all parts of every disneyland park at any hour for as long as you want.
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Re: My Thoughts on the Hate Corporate America Type
>I'm sick of hearing all this "I want it free" from the >Gen-Yers and people that view everything as "free" if tech >can do it.
Well, lets see. There are "free" operating systems out there that you download with "free" P2P programs, which you can load "free" video and music editing and authoring programs to record and then replay whatever passes into the system.
If my friend records say "The Simpsons" from cable TV that he PAYS for with this mix of "free" stuff and sends it to me using that "free" P2p software because I missed the episode is it really wrong? Again, we're talking about a TV program that can be picked-up over the public airwaves for "free."
If he recorded the exact same program on VHS tape and shared it with me is that any more or less wrong. Is it because a computer isn't involved?
>Buy the CD, the DVD, and pay your way. Your parents did. >Why can't you?
Are you happy? You don't sound happy.
I get the impression that your pi$$ed that you've paid for so many worthless consumer goods, and feel cheated that someones who grew-up in a different time and place is able to make the most out of what is available to them.
I'm sorry you paid so much for your Cd's and Dvd's, but that doesn't mean that "Unlimited" should mean, limited to those who get the greatest utility out of the product, or perhaps "Unlimited..." to those who don't really use it that much. |
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MrChupacabra
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join:2003-03-26
Florida
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Re: You'll never convince the corp wonks
I'm gonna have to side with Verizon on this one too. The terms of service are very clear on what you can and cant use the service for. Remember, just because you pay for something doesn't mean you can do what ever you want with it. After all, you pay taxes for your roads. Try to setup a toll on it or modify the road as you see fit. I'm sure you'd find out you cant do that either even though you pay for it.
And for the the terms.
Subject to VZAccess Acceptable Use Policy, available on www.verizonwireless.com. NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections.
So yes, it is open and shut. Abide by the legal terms you agree to when you set up the service or go elsewhere. But there are a lot of entitlement whores out there that want it their way. |
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ke4pym
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC | Sounds like
our old friends Bait and Switch are back from vacation... |
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Anonymous
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join:2004-06-01
IA | reply to rachelsfx
Re: Because We Can
Maybe you two should read what is this all about. Yeah I hate people like you but that's not the point.
The point is you can sell your product but without false advertising. |
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