Sonybad
@151.202.x.x | sony in big poo
I see a lawsuit |
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fegul
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join:2004-08-23
united state | Ouch
This is what we refer to as "pwned"  |
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uncwjason
join:2003-06-09
Richmond, VA | good job!
a lot of heads are gonna roll for this! |
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Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
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join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
clubs: | Whats next for Sony?
Hell if it keeps up Sony's PS3 will be so heavly locked down hat you can't evne play the games without giving up a pint o blood and your social security # everytime you want to play. |
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notmenotnow
@148.177.x.x | Just wondering...
If a user is running as power user will the sw still be able to install? Or must the user be running as administrator? |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Re: Ouch
said by fegul  :This is what we refer to as "pwned" Even MS is going after SONY on this one. When other big business partners say you screwed up big time, you really screwed up.
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pnh102
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Re: good job!
said by uncwjason :a lot of heads are gonna roll for this! This would probably only happen if the Free Software Foundation (or whoever owns the copyright on LAME) were to sue Sony for copyright infringement. I'd be glad to donate to a "legal offense fund" for such a purpose because they will definitely need it.
The only way heads would roll is if Sony were to lose BIG with such a case.
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joshpo
join:2002-09-24
Philadelphia, PA | Just Remember...
We must protect copyrights at all costs! (As long as the copyright is of music, and it is ours, other stuff we don't care so much about.) |
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kalphearion
In nomine Patri
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join:2003-11-08
Denver, CO
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Re: Ouch
said by fegul :This is what we refer to as "pwned" I second that! |
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braynes
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join:2005-03-14
Waterville, ME | reply to joshpo
Re: Just Remember...
Yes perhaps we can coin a new word use, like instead of the flim-flam he pulled a sony,when some thing is fubr we can call it a sony .
I bet it will make sony(no)baloney a very nice slogan
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: good job!
said by pnh102 :This would probably only happen if the Free Software Foundation (or whoever owns the copyright on LAME) were to sue Sony for copyright infringement. I'd be glad to donate to a "legal offense fund" for such a purpose because they will definitely need it. FSF does not own LAME's copyright.
but i sure hope EFF will take this case on behalf of LAME developers.
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evilbuddha
join:2004-03-04
canada | Sony/BMG
In the end, Sony/BMG has egg on their face but the creators of this was First 4 Internet no?
If so, then First 4 Internet would be the ones in trouble at the point for not complying with the LGPL. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Re: good job!
said by MxxCon :FSF does not own LAME's copyright. but i sure hope EFF will take this case on behalf of LAME developers. Ahhh ok... Usually the FSF requests that you transfer copyright of a GPL or LGPL'ed work to them if you would want them to handle the enforcement of that particular license.
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loeakaodas
join:2005-01-31
Sarasota, FL | reply to notmenotnow
Re: Just wondering...
Thats the same thing |
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loeakaodas
join:2005-01-31
Sarasota, FL | reply to evilbuddha
Re: Sony/BMG
That's what I thought when I first read this somewhere else. Sony only licenced to use the protection made by that company so how can they be liable in this case. I'm playing devils advocate here, but isn't this right. |
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
| Doubt It's Enforcable...
Well... let me correct that.
It's enforcable, but I doubt anyone's goign to be willing to jump through the hoops *to* enforce it, thus making it unenforcable.
Sony/BMG no doubt realized this at the time.
It's a nice story but... in the end will have no bearing on anythign because, well... in the end nobody cares enough to truly enforce the GPL in situation like this. After all, Sony has deeper pockets... |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Who wants to be there is no penalty?
So, Sony screwed up, installed a rootkit on millions of computers, now they stole copyrighted software, and distributed 4+ million copies of it FOR PROFIT.
Lets see what the penalties would be for an american citizen, vs. what will happen to sony..
Botnet Zombie Maker with 400,000 machines (rootkits) installed. Looking at 50 years of prison. How is his rootkit any different than sony's rootkit? It's not. Both were installed by tricking the user to install via EULA clickthroughs.
Copyright infringement : The MPAA sentence for copying ONE MOVIE is 150,000.00 + 10 years. The sentence is PER VIOLATION. By my calculations, at 2,300,000 CD's sold with this copyright violating software, SONY should be liable for 345 Billion dollars then. And at 10 years per violation, times 2,300,000 CD's, divided by 162,000 employees, that's about 140 years of prison for every single employee.
Does all that sound ludicrous? It should, but that's the LAW as written, that's the law **AA's purchased from the US government. Why should they get a 'free ride', or even a 'slap on the wrist' penalty when they demanded outrageous penalties? They shouldn't.
The corporate drones wonder why so many people ignore the law. It's because the law is ludicrous. And the law becomes worse than ludicrous in sony's case, it becomes hypocritical, unless sony faces HUGE penalties for what they did. Why should anyone who releases a rootkit be punished, if sony can get away with 2.3 million rootkits? Why should any p2p user be charged with distribution, when sony SOLD for PROFIT 2.3 million copies of stolen code? The violations are clear. There is no excuse for them. The question is, will Sony be punished with a penalty to match the level of the infringement. (300+ Billion dollar penalty).
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jkbecker
join:2004-12-20
Metuchen, NJ
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Re: Doubt It's Enforcable...
Don't bet on it. There's been a number of successful lawsuits in Germany and other places where the copyright holder (i.e., the people who wrote the FOSS software) won hands down. Quickly. Judges know all about copyright; the LGPL and GPL are clearly written; and, having been enforced already...
Point: the penalties for copyright infringement are high. They're put that way to discourage even big companies from doing the deed. As I understand it, they're _per_ violation. Just how many copies of this thing has First 4 Internet and Sony sold?
Look at it this way: At the very least, assuming First 4 Internet/Sony fight this, some lawyer for the copyright holder is going to get very rich. |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA | Priceless...
It would rock if this were tru and the holder of the infringed LGPL sued them (and won).
-tom |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Re: good job!
The Free Software Foundation only came up with the terms of the GPL and LGPL. While the FSF does hold a number of GPLed/LGPLed licenses, LAME is not yet one of them.
-tom
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