TexasGuy
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Houston, TX | Not even cable?
They remove "copper" that is telephone line and cable too? |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home | Since they don't own the cable coax, I doubt they are touching that.
Especially if the customer has cable TV. Don't you think they'd notice if Verizon took away their cable? |
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TexasGuy
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Houston, TX | Well, I just wanted to clarify what the author meant by copper. |
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| They remove their copper from the house to the distribution point (poll, box, etc). They can't touch anything that's not theirs.
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Luwigie
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East Lansing, MI
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They just take out the copper for the phone lines, making it impossible to go back to POTS/DSL. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
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""My father works for Verizon and told me he was informed they would be offering a new FIOS option for $14.95.," he claims. "The down speed will be 1Mbps, but he couldn't remember what the up will be." The poster is unsure whether or not this would be a competitive-market specific offer, and our contacts at Verizon cannot (read: won't) confirm such a tier."
More hot news from the BBR rumor mill  If I post that my father told me pigs were going to fly, I wonder if it would make the front page here too? |
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jtudor
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Nothing is impossible, but it may be against policy for them to re-install copper to a home that has a fiber connection.
There is nothing but policy that would prevent them from doing this however.
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TexasGuy
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Houston, TX | reply to RJ44
Unless the pigs would offer Wi-Fi on their flight path then no. |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA | reply to RJ44
I agree, I heard a rumor that Verizon was buying Sprint.
My Dad told me so...
Also, if it was true, would the Dad's job not be at risk?
What about the kids ass when Dad finds the forum? |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
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said by jtudor  :Nothing is impossible, but it may be against policy for them to re-install copper to a home that has a fiber connection. There is nothing but policy that would prevent them from doing this however. So if a home which has FIOS is sold, they new owner is locked into FIOS since Verizon will REFUSE to supply Phone/DSL service via Copper? I can understand this policy for the CURRENT customer but once there is a new customer I think there might be an issue if they refuse to supply service. There might also be an issue if the new owner REQUIRES Copper connectivity due to needing a 24/7 connection that FIOS does not deliver due to the need for a UPS on premises to supply power if there is a black-out in the area. |
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TexasGuy
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Houston, TX | Good point. No 911 with localized power failure... |
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Voodoo288
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My dad told me I'm special. |
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gwion
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1 edit | Catch-22...
Assuming, that is, that when the time comes you want to go back, there IS a copper plant to return to, in your area. Make no mistake, fiber op is the naked carrier medium, and Verizon wants very much to abandon their copper plant within the next two decades, entirely, absolutely and completely.
I think that's probably the single most misunderstood facet of FIOS... it doesn't refer to a service at all, but a naked carrier medium, meant to replace, not enhance, copper. FTTP. That's what it means, in a nutshell.
Verizon has their own reasons for fiberizing, and it's not just, or even mostly, because of ISP services or TV. It's to get rid of what they've decided is an obsolete outside POTS plant, ground up, by replacing it with fiber optical carrier. That means they'll want to quit spending money on maintaining an obsolete, parallel, redundant carrier network as soon as possible... and our major question, then, needs to be, "do I want to be an early adopter, and probably pay more to help debug a rougher edged, roll-out network, or do I want to hold out, and wait until price points even out, rough edges get worked out, or the copper system's phased out entirely?" Ultimately, it will be. It's not just no longer necessary, it's an albatross around Verizon's neck, once they have a full fiber network in a certain area, to have a copper plant running parallel with the fib-op.
PS - and, yes, I agree, I think Verizon would be foolish to sell "only" what we might call "high end" internet packages on FIOS... it will delay deployment, for some of the very reasons this news item brings up. Not everybody wants or needs super-quick ISP services, or, more aptly, not everybody wants to pay a lot for allocated bandwidth they personally never fill. In other words, while it's a choice, during the roll out, the single best selling point they have for getting us to BE early adopters is internet services and TV... customers understand that... they don't understand media versus content and all that... and a lot of customers are probably saying, hell, if I could get the same package I have on DSL or cable, and save a few bucks, I would switch... but I just don't need premium level internet services enough to pay that much.
That's going to lead to a lot more people than we realize yawning and saying they'll convert only either when TV hits their area, or when copper's no longer available. That's probably just what Verizon doesn't want happening, in terms of strategic plans...
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Re: Not even cable?
said by keyboard5684 :I agree, I heard a rumor that Verizon was buying Sprint. My Dad told me so... Also, if it was true, would the Dad's job not be at risk? What about the kids ass when Dad finds the forum? Without names there shouldn't be a problem.
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
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said by TexasGuy :Good point. No 911 with localized power failure... The FIOS connection comes with a short-term UPS so you do not IMMEDIATELY lose your ability to call 911 (and others). I do not know how long it is rated for (either stand-bye or usage) but it is not going to be as long as a POTS Copper Connection. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20 | reply to Voodoo288
said by Voodoo288 :My dad told me I'm special. Grow up. |
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ctaul
join:2004-03-09
Dallas, TX | reply to state
they didnt remove my copper, they just put the ont next to the old copper box |
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poorusers
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Yeah, and what happens when a person files for subsidized POTS line over fiber and they have to give the person lifeline service and leave a $2,000 ONT sitting there on subsidized service. Hmm.... this is why parts of the bronx will never see FIBER. That's not my beef with Fiber, the rollouts are being carefully guided 'around' Ny metro and not accelerating in Ny metro. Maybe some Long Island techs can shed some lIghT on this...
My evidence: A. NEW DSL commercial in NY metro. B. No new press releases for NY. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica | reply to fiberguy
Re: Not even cable?
Nu uh! I'm rubber you're glue! whatever you say bouces off of me and sticks to you! |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica | reply to Voodoo288
special? like ... "good special", or "retarded special"? |
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