mrchris
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If this actually works without all the hoops the old one has?  |
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B
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| Waiting for Russinovitch...
Of course, no one should go NEAR that thing until Uncle Mark says it's okay...
Watch »www.sysinternals.com/Blog/ and wait.
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fegul
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| Woke up, did you?
I guess the lawsuit was enough to shake them up. One thing is for sure, Sony just lost my trust. Its a shame since I liked their products 
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TKJunkMail
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|  Damage to Sony reputation already done
Nothing Sony can do now will rehabilitate their damaged reputation. This DRM gaffe will cost them a lot of money over the next several months and maybe even longer if you can believe those who claim they will avoid SONY products forever(which I don't - people have short memories).
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Grail Knight
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| What good is it...
From Sony/BMG
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if you wish to play a CD protected with XCP it will be necessary to reinstall the XCP software in accordance with that CD's End User License Agreement after you insert the disc into your computer.
Now if I have all this info right and please correct me if I am wrong but you have to reintroduce the root kit to play the cds that were supposed to be pulled from stores? 
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TKJunkMail
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| said by Grail Knight  :Now if I have all this info right and please correct me if I am wrong but you have to reintroduce the root kit to play the cds that were supposed to be pulled from stores? Who would do that? They are offering a non-DRM'd replacement CD or a refund for anyone who wants it.
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
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Re: Damage to Sony reputation already done
Oh, I'd say they *could* rehabilitate their image..... but IMO..... it will take a very, very long time *and* swear off DRM.
As a cherry on top. They should denounce the RIAA/MPAA as the jackboot thugs they are and establish a DRMaholics program (AAA equivalent) for those idiots that believe all non-customers *and* customers by default are crooks and thieves. As a gesture of um, goodwill. I think everyone here should assist Sony with the development of those 10 vital steps.
That to me would help them restore some level of trust... but not all. |
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Grail Knight
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Re: What good is it...
Evidently they think some would do it.
Did you read their whole EULA for the tool or gloss over it?
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| Good catch there. It seems they haven't backed down AT ALL about their rootkit DRM's legitimacy. They're simply offering another purportedly effective way to remove "the component getting public attention"!
That page reads as if the XCP rootkit CDs are perfectly legitimate and will continue to be sold and supported...?
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cableties
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| Hony
Sony DRMRootkit hosed my brother's PC system. Some female-brit pop star CD caused it (on the list..).
He had to wipe the entire system. The uninstaller kept freezing.
Makes me wonder not only is Sony a terrible company, but the AV companies that did nothing to advise/remove this as they feared DCMA lawsuits from Sony/BMG.
Is it me or are the software/hardware industries getting too big for their egos? at the consumer (see sheeple) expense. |
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Python7
join:2005-12-03
Vidalia, GA | reply to Stumbles
Re: Damage to Sony reputation already done
It's AA or NA and it is 12 Steps, Not 10. |
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Grail Knight
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Re: What good is it...
Thanks.
That is what I got out of it also.
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Thaler
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Encino, CA | reply to mrchris
Re: I wonder
I personally like that they insist that you "patch" your system with a non-FUBAR DRM. You can certainly remove it alltogether, but then you're left with a useless frisbee, unless you install their crapware.
Jee, thanks Sony. |
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Grail Knight
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Re: Hony
Actually not all of Sony is a horrible company just their music ventures. My Sony SW Radio is top notch as is most of their radio equipment.
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radarman
join:2005-06-01
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Re: What good is it...
First, I probably won't be buying anymore Sony CD's on principle - and then, only if there is no alternative (Sony does carry a very large classical collection)
If it does have this crap on it, I will simply use an intelligent ripper to create a new, safe, CD-R for use anywhere. I don't pirate music, and I don't supply it to others - so I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate being treated like a criminal for having the audacity to *buy* a product.
The real crime is that this all mess takes space that could have been used for actual music. I suspect they could include at least one, perhaps two, standard PCM streams in the space they wasted on the DRM crippled versions. |
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averagedude
join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ
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| said by radarman :...- so I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate being treated like a criminal for having the audacity to *buy* a product. Exactly! |
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GilbertMark
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Gilbert, AZ | hmm
Sony will just create some subsidiary to market all their CDs under to change the name you see on the case. Most people are too unaware of what company is owned by what other and will continue to buy CDs. |
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Boogeyman
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Re: Hony
I agree. Sony Music is under seperate management than say, SCEA. Just because the part of Sony that governs the music screwed up is no reason to boycot all of Sony products. That would be like if suddenly Austin Martin cars started blowing up, would you quit buying Ford just because they own AM? Or if Matsushita did somehting stupid, would you quit buying Panasonic products?
It just kind of bothers me when someone says thier going to boycott something just because one part of the company screwed up.
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Dr Demento
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join:2002-01-02
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Re: hmm
The same record label that mails colleges sample CDs which once you open, you are obliged to pay for. I wonder if they have any DRM malware on them? |
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iotastorm
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Re: What good is it...
Well if you really want to dent a corporation, you don't just boycott only the "CD department"(in this case). You really HAVE to boycott it all. If you don't the other departments 'shoulder the burden' of keeping the CD department up and floating until it blows over. Hence nothing happens.
If you could get 10% of the Sony consumers to call/write stating that we will not buy/support any/Sony product for a period of 2 years and really follow up and tell their friends not to, after a quarter or two, the profits/sales drops and they may pay attention.
Getting the people to stand up and do this is the big factor. |
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