chesney09
Premium
join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
clubs: | Would seem pretty simple...
Everyone already pays for their access to the internet.
Why should this even be an issue? I'd have to agree, it does equate to digital extortion. |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
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| telcos
can you say greedy?
thats all it comes down to.. money-grubbing greed.
the internet is suppose to be an open, croos-platform, 'info highway' if these telcos have their way we'll all suffer as more and more providers take up this per usage bandwagon and web content owners/provider all are forced to pay or go completely off-line because they can't compete.
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | The Internet use to be fun
It's sad that the people who will side with this type of thinking are those that understand the impact of it the least.
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TelecomJunky
Premium
join:2005-12-12
Kansas City, MO | Monopoly
Already the rebirth of MaBell is having a negative impact on the once free and open Internet. And the regulators couldn't see this coming? |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
1 edit | They have gotten everything they have asked for and more over the last few years. If this was a spoiled 7 year old we were talking about, I imagine they'd keep asking for more candy too until someone in Washington grew a pair of cojones and tweaked their nose.... |
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SuperJoker
join:2005-11-21
Yermo, CA | reply to pokesph
Re: telcos
Yeah their greedy and stupid, So besides complain to Our elected members of Congress, State Governments and the FCC, What can We do?:( |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
 ·EarthLink
·DSL EXTREME
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To me this is a good reason for (good) government control, which I am normally against....the next thing is two tiered water, power etc.....my god, when will this effing nonsense end...Is the "tard" lamp lit when these pinheads speak?
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| They dropped the prices
So they drop the prices so low they can't make the money they want off of their connections. Oh well. You can't start extorting every page on the internet for money because you screwed yourself. They have the ability to bundle, I say that's good enough. If they can't beat a competitors VoIP or ipTV price even if they bundle their services with the internet connection, then they have problems. And in the end, I think Bellsouth's biggest issue is that their slow dsl connections can't support adding these extra services without severely crippling the speed of the internet connection. |
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chiefeyes
join:2001-08-14
Thomaston, ME | reply to Karl Bode
Re: Monopoly
Cojones ? In Washington?? I think not !!  |
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claco
join:2002-09-29
Tallmadge, OH
| Wrong
The telco justification is that since they're paying so much for upgrades, their traffic should clearly have higher priority in a two-tiered system.
Wrong! We, the users and tax payers are paying for the upgrades already through rate hikes and "fees". As such, I expect all my traffic to flow through the network I'm paying service for at the same rate.
Idiots. I hope Congress beats them with a clue-by-four. But I wouldn't bet on it.
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DrewCapu
Giant Diehard
join:2001-12-19
California
clubs: | The end of the internet is coming
Let's all go out and socialize  |
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OldMan3333
@bcvloh.ameritech | How far we've come
I can remember in the good ol' days where ads on the www were taboo...
I dont see how google could be held accountable for the fact that I want to view their web site. |
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| reply to chesney09
Re: Would seem pretty simple...
said by chesney09  :Everyone already pays for their access to the internet. Why should this even be an issue? I'd have to agree, it does equate to digital extortion. I've gotta rant on this one. Bellsouth is a bunch of greedy dumb @$$ @#$@#% sucking #@$@% flaming pieces of sh!t. I say F Bellsouth and everything they stand for.
Like I said before if I could unplug Bellsouth completely from existance I would. There's simply no excuse for this type of behavior.
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| reply to SuperJoker
Re: telcos
said by SuperJoker :Yeah their greedy and stupid, So besides complain to Our elected members of Congress, State Governments and the FCC, What can We do?:( Call everybody that works for Bellsouth...
»bellsouthcorp.com/newsroom/conta···c8ccc5cf
I am starting tomorrow.. who's with me?!?!?!?
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Wireless Major
@cavtel.net
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Vvian Kalyss
| BS
I think this analogy fits best:
Car manufacturer: Third Party content provider
Car = content
Driver = subscriber/User
Toll Road = iNET Pipe
Bellsouth, AT&T: "We're building a bigger toll road, AND we want to become a car manufacturer. We think its unfair that these other car manufacturers have cars traveling on our toll road without paying us money...and this situation is a threat to our wanting to become a car manufacturer. Never mind the fact that we charge the Driver of these cars a good chunk of change to use our tollway, because that is irrelevant.
Our new toll road is going to be 40 lanes wide, and because it cost us alot of money to build this new toll road, but more specifically, because we want to become a car manufacturer, we want to relegate Drivers who's Car manufacturer doesn't pay us tribute, to only be able to use 10 of the toll road lanes. We are doing this because our current efforts as a car manufacturer producing cars is very lackluster. Nobody wants to buy a 150HP car from us when they can go to another car manufacturer and buy a 200-500HP car for the same price, or in some cases, be able to get the car for free! Its an outrage! We wont be able to force the Drivers to use our cars if we allow the other car manufacturers to continue to be able to sell their cars to the Drivers, and not pay use tribute money that gets passed on to the Driver.
So this is the new plan we want: We want to build out new 40lane toll road. And of course we're going to charge the Driver an arm and a leg. Then, we're gonna charge the other car manufacturers tribute money to be able to use the reserved 30 lanes of the toll road, because if they want the Drivers to have a good driving experience, then the Drivers will need to drive the car on the reserved 30 lanes, where we can "guarantee" the quality of the experience, instead of being relegated to the 10 lanes. If the other car manufacturers refuse to pay tribute, then the Driver can only use their cars on the other 10 lanes...and we can't "guarantee" the driving experience once on those 10 lanes.
Also, this is why we're against the building of independant building of tollroads, because those tollroads could possibly offer just as good or a better driving experience, and possible lower fees for the Driver, and we just can't have that."
I think that sums it up the best. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | reply to DrewCapu
Re: The end of the internet is coming
said by DrewCapu :socialize Saaaaay whaaaaaaatttt? |
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
| I am Starting To See Telo Point.
No it is too early to drink. I used to hold that the telcos are greedy but i beginning to see their point as a valid argument. The issue is the behavior of Google and other tech firms stretch the limits of computer power and network speed by their applications. I get the idea that the Google rocket scientist do not give a rat ass about the how their application might overload the Telco’s network and only care about the gee wiz factor.
For example Google buys out Bit torrent and creates Google torrent. Thousands of users start using Google torrent to download the latest Britney Spears Porn video. As a result the telcos get a torrent of calls by angry users wanting to know why my connection is slow. Because it is goggle's application that is causing the problem, then in this case Goggle should pay-up or shut up. |
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NGOwner
join:2000-11-21
Leawood, KS
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: The Internet use to be fun
I am one of those who believe that telcos and cablecos should be permitted to do what they suggest.
The prevailing thinking here at BBR is that the glass is half empty. Meaning, cablecos and telcos will take their existing products and make it worse.
Fact of the matter is TWC already does something similar. The Digital Phone product they offer is a dedicated, completely separate pipe from the RoadRunner Internet product TWC offers.
Perhaps that's what the telcos and cablecos ultimately want to do. Create an overlay network, or overlay datachannels, for those items or products or requests that get preferential treatment, either because it is offered by the cable/telco themselves, or the requestee has paid the cable/telco for preferential treatment. What you get today doesn't change, just that for some things your experience gets better.
Other industries have instituted preferential treatment programs for vendors and/or customers. For example, how is this any different from the institution of a frequent flier program for the airlines?
This doesn't have to be a bad thing.
[NG]Owner
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Great...
I give a politician money in exchange for favors and it's a bribe...I go to jail.
Telcos do it and it's lobbying.
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL
| Mr. Smith goes to Washington
If Bill gets his way and BS rolls out a two tier Internet, I predict a mass exodus to ANY other form of internet delivery by those who do not want to pay more or have their non-ilec packets slowed down. Mr. Smith is then going to wind up with the same type of users that are plaguing the POTS network now. Low margin, clueless technophobes that simply want the least expensive broadband they can get for email and surfing.
Just a thought, |
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