Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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1 edit | Eh?
No anti-competitive behaviour? Take off the rose colored glasses dipwad!
Edit: Behaviour is spelled wrong in the article? It didn't ask me to change it so I am assuming I have it right  |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | I Can't Hear You
I've got money stuffed in my ears.
(what's going through the mind of the FCC chair after his latest gift package from the telcos)
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rileyjam514
There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ
| Whatever he's smoking....
.. I'd like a couple of bricks.
And whatever faith I had left in any government agency (US or otherwise..), well.. that was gone long ago anyway so this really just proves that Homer was right:
"Don't trust anybody over 30!"
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WaxPhoto
I AM SAM
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join:2004-04-08
Roanoke, IN |  Pocket, meet...
Bribe.
Simple as that. |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA |  Do we even need to commit
These are the same clueless people in charge before 911.
Anyone have this guys address? This to fire up the pen! |
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schnuggles
Stays Crunchy In Milk
join:2003-06-07
Deming, NM
| Par for the course
This has been the single most anti-consumer FCC brass I have ever known. I keep wondering if some of the CEO's behind this crap just spend nights up wondering "how can I piss off my customer's today?"
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Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL | reply to plk
Re: Do we even need to commit
»www.fcc.gov/contacts.html |
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dgatewood
join:2002-08-12
Euless, TX | please include a post subject.
multiple spellings of behaviour. Those from the UK will most certainly spell is with a 'u,' while the Americans will certainly spell it without a u. That is evolution for you. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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1 edit |  Plenty of BB competition - Martin is right
For the majority of people in the US, competition exists for broadband access. Most areas have at a minimum cable and telco BB options. Some others also have wireless(fixed and WiFi) as well. And don't forget that 95% of the US is within range of satellite broadband too(though the price is a little high at $60/mo if also a satellite TV subscriber. And both wireless and wired options are popping up monthly.
And as long as there are competing players in the marketplace, the concerns over locking out of users from specific areas of the web are unfounded. Because 1 of the players would use that to get customers from the others.
Those who want the government to control things are also the same people who think the best solution to everything is a nanny government to run their lives and make all their decisions for them.
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| While your now expected industry apologist comments on competition are wrong as usual, you do realize this subject is about net neutrality, yes? Or did you reach right for your script and not read the articles?
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Those who want the government to control things are also the same people who think the best solution to everything is a nanny government to run their lives and make all their decisions for them
Cute the way you jump from the need for a few consumer protection laws to some socialist dreamscape to make a political point. |
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA | reply to TKJunkMail
All I want the FCC to do is limit the ISPs on what traffic they can control or limit and allow an open and safe system. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Disband this circus
I said this before, I'm stil saying this: disband the FCC!
It is a horribly corrupted, abused pro-corporation anti-customer comitee, merely carrying out the providers' will.
FCC is simply working against YOU, citizen. It's that simple. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
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Re: Plenty of BB competition - Martin is right
said by TKJunkMail  :For the majority of people in the US, competition exists for broadband access. Most areas have at a minimum cable and telco BB options. Some others also have wireless(fixed and WiFi) as well. And don't forget that 95% of the US is within range of satellite broadband too(though the price is a little high at $60/mo if also a satellite TV subscriber. And both wireless and wired options are popping up monthly. And as long as there are competing players in the marketplace, the concerns over locking out of users from specific areas of the web are unfounded. Because 1 of the players would use that to get customers from the others. Those who want the government to control things are also the same people who think the best solution to everything is a nanny government to run their lives and make all their decisions for them. Call me back after you actually have been able to grasp the meaning of the original article. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
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Re: Disband this circus
said by kamm :I said this before, I'm stil saying this: disband the FCC! ... change the administration. This administration and all functions controlled by it have no concern for the public or the consumer at all. They do not believe in regulating business. Kevin Martin does not believe in regulating business (unless it involves obscenity).
Previous FCCs have done good things. The FCC is SUPPOSED to be working for the consumer. We need different people on the FCC.
But yeah, right now, consumers are f'd. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
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Re: Plenty of BB competition - Martin is right
Nice generalization. Look past that ego and you will see there are some things, especially things with limited resources, that need to be government controlled.
I would agree that a lot of areas have cable and telco BB options. I do not consider satellite or any form of wireless a true competitor to either of those yet. Satellite more so because of its ridiculous cost and bandwidth. Wireless could be, but I am not a big fan of wireless for several reasons.
Regardless of the above, what do you think the others are going to do if the telco's are allowed to do this? If Charter can deprioritize VIOP on their network when it is competing with their own product or if the other company refuses to pay the extortion amount it reduces the consumer's choice. In the end, isn't it the consumer that matters? We, the consumer, are more important then any company exec, employee, or stockholder. Too many, including the FCC A$$clowns seem to be forgetting this.
What is going to stop this from extending this over to the consumer? Gamer's need good connections. When is BS going to start charging them more to route their packets in a manner that is needed to maintain a quality gaming exerience? When is Xbox Live going to start costing $50 a month because MS has to pay extortion money to EVERY major backbone and network node to have their traffic routed to their servers?
If BS wants to prioritize the packets of THEIR internet customers (Customer's signed up with them as their ISP) that is their business as consumers then have a choice. However, they have no right to touch the packets of any other ISP's customers. And if they start touch packets to servers that are not even on their network, they are messing with packets they have no business messing with. |
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HardwareGeek
join:2003-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
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when the FCC gets involved people bitch when they don't get involved people bitch.
The FCC doesn't need to get involved. Perfect example NY
Verizon and Cablevisions competition is giving everyone cheap service.
15 dollar Unlimited VoIP
30/2 Mbps speeds for 55 dollars.
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
1 edit | reply to nasadude
Re: Disband this circus
I hate to burst your bubble, but broadband is not the only potato on the FCC plate. What seems to escape many here is that the FCC is not run, day by day, by the commissioners, who are political appointees and MAY shape the general direction they proceed in.
The people who DO run the FCC day to day are the people who run the various bureaus and the engineering staff.
This is the same dumb mentality that holds that president Bush is on top of every little thing that happens, has a evil master plan to conquer the world, all his staff just marches in lockstep and only has to issue orders and it is done. Rediculous. People with this mentality simply have no clue how the government-or, anything else for that matter,-runs.
In this case, you are assuming the commissioners are tech geniuses, bought by the evil telcos and marching in lockstep to orders from corporate headquarters-again, rediculous-and all they have to do is snap their fingers and it is so. Yet, anyone who has actually dealt with the FCC in any real manner knows that it is not the commissioners that make the day to day decisions. It is the people who run the wireless telecommunications bureau and the various enforcement bureaus, etc.
Decisions made by the FCC, for the most part, are remarkably non political and even handed. It has allways been so. One needs to ask onesself how, if the commissioners are running things, does the FCC manage to do the technical work it does and come to decisions consistentl that have worked as intended for decades as the commissioners come and go?
Understandably, one is angry when a decision goes against ones wishes, however, that does not mean that it is the wrong decision IN THE LONGER RUN. |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
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Re: Eh?
Eh?
said by Cheese :No anti-competitive behaviour? Take off the rose colored glasses dipwad! Edit: Behaviour is spelled wrong in the article? It didn't ask me to change it so I am assuming I have it right color colour
behavior behaviour
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It's just different ways to spell things. The Brits and Canucks like to use -our but the real American Way™ is just -or. There is no need to tack on a u when it is not needed. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
1 edit | reply to Fatal Vector
Re: Disband this circus
said by Fatal Vector :Decisions made by the FCC, for the most part, are remarkably non political and even handed. I hate to burst the bubble you're living in but it's not true at all.
FCC is FAR from being non-politcal or even handed.
It has allways been so.
No, it used to be.
One needs to ask onesself how, if the commissioners are running things, does the FCC manage to do the technical work it does and come to decisions consistentl that have worked as intended for decades as the commissioners come and go?
Obviously the asking one never worked in such position if he dares to ask such a silly question - policy decisionas are ALWAYS made by the leaders, rest of the satff - the career personnel, the technical personnel etc - usually prepare and execute, that's it.
It's the same like everywhere else - but the asking one apparently doesn't have the slightest idea about management.
Understandably, one is angry when a decision goes against ones wishes, however, that does not mean that it is the wrong decision IN THE LONGER RUN.
You better read the article first next time - there wasn't any "decision", merely an expression of the current state of mind of this @sshole. However it is obvious that it isn't hte right direction for the customers, even a 10ys old kid could tell you this. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
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Re: wow
said by HardwareGeek :when the FCC gets involved people bitch when they don't get involved people bitch. The FCC doesn't need to get involved. Perfect example NY Verizon and Cablevisions competition is giving everyone cheap service. 15 dollar Unlimited VoIP 30/2 Mbps speeds for 55 dollars. 1. O-M-G... I'm a New Yorker too but even I can see how silly is to act like NY would be the 'perfect example' for average broadband situation in the country.
2. It's good to read the article before commenting it - it is about letting ISPs to prioritize their own packets... |
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