TKJunkMail
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1 edit |  Good for Shapiro
He got his cable connection.
He got to dump on the cable company for making him wait so long.
He got a free iPod.
He got what he wanted and that is the main thing. Why should he care whether the telco is using his "I hate Cable" story for their own use. That is someone elses problem.
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clubs:   | i waited 5 years for broadband and i got was thsi stupid ipod
he got his broadband and stood up for himself
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Cheese
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said by TKJunkMail  :He got his cable connection. He got to dump on the cable company for making him wait so long. He got a free iPod. He got what he wanted and that is the main thing. Why should he care whether the telco is using his "I hate Cable" story for their own use. That is someone elses problem. This is why.
"The user pleaded with Time Warner Cable for five years to no avail. The company did five surveys to estimate how much it would cost to wire his road, with estimates ranging from $18,000 to $26,000 dollars. Bombarded with service ads, the user says he filed complaints with the NYS Public Service Commission, filed petitions, and attended town board meetings, all to no avail. "
They sent ads to his home for the service, then want him to pay out the nose for it? Wrong. I would have done the same thing if I was in his shoes. They strung him along for 5 years for something they had no plan on giving him unless he gave them that much money? That to me, is utterly wrong. |
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stnlandr
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Tell me this....would you go into a business endeavor knowing that you would lose money on the deal? That's exactly what is going to happen in this situation. It would take a minimum 40 years for the company to make money off this one subscriber. Why should anyone be pressured into doing something like that? Because it's a big cable co.? Or because it's become the american way to whine until you get what you want. |
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packetscan
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I bet for ever TV commercial and print add that HE has seen The costs associated with such marketing likely would have paid for the install and then some.
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TheGhost
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They should be forced to service this customer because he is part of the area covered by the franchise agreement. They want exclusive rights to an area, they have to service the entire area, not just where they want. |
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Cheese
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said by packetscan :I bet for ever TV commercial and print add that HE has seen The costs associated with such marketing likely would have paid for the install and then some. Exactly. And I don't know for sure, but he can not be the only person on the street. |
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FightingBlue
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Wrong. The companies would make more than enough money on such customers if they simply behaved in an efficient manner. Phone companies are required to provide service everywhere, as are power companies. Last time I checked, nether of them were going out of business. It's not that rural users don't deserve broadband, or that it's not profitable, it's that cable companies and others prefer to cater to affluent suburbia rather than offer universal service. If they want to save money, let them eliminate the Junior Vice President of Pencil Shavings, or pay their already ultrawealthy CEO less than $10 million dollars in bonuses this year.
The telecom providers essentially want corporate welfare--guaranteed service agreements, massive cash infusions, and legalized monopoly status--without the need to actually follow through and provide service to anyone they don't feel like. |
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shapiro44
join:2004-03-01
Highland, NY
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exactly, Cheese69. Cablevision built the whole neighborhood
to pole #12 on my street. TWC system ends at pole #11. The two cable systems are now 1/10th of a mile a part.
Cablevision spent a special salesman who drove up and down
the road for days. I saw his list one day, maybe 10 days
after he started. He already had 20 customers interested
with columns checked for TV, internet and phone.
All together there are 32 homes here that previously was
in blackholeville and now can have Cablevision. |
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elvey
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Karl -
Great story.
Thanks.
I guess it's not obvious to some, but it's obvious to me that it doesn't cost 20 grand to run cable a few hundred feet in a rural area.
It's about as credible as the claim that allowing competitors in an oligopoly to merge increases competition.
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footballdude
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| said by elvey :I guess it's not obvious to some, but it's obvious to me that it doesn't cost 20 grand to run cable a few hundred feet in a rural area. Perhaps it was necessary to install some sort of high speed signal booster as well? That's the problem where I live. My closest CO is DSL ready, but I live just a little too far from it to get DSL. To put in the necessary equipment to boost the signal for my neighborhood would cost around $20,000, or so I'm told. |
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Gundam_Toon
join:2004-09-03
Noblesville, IN
1 edit | Do I get it free?
Slightly off topic of Cablevision etc... Insight Cable wants $2600 for 400ft of cable to my house
Rip Off! |
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shapiro44
join:2004-03-01
Highland, NY | reply to footballdude
Re: Good for Shapiro
Cablevision put up a new node in my neighborhood.
Not right on my pole but close enough. |
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James_d
join:2005-08-27
uk | reply to Gundam_Toon
Re: Do I get it free?
What does the nearest person who can get cable want to get it installed and use a wireless router to relay it to you?  |
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rcman2
join:2002-03-25
Saint Louis, MO | reply to Gundam_Toon
Charter wants me to pay $20,000. I'm thinking of paying it........................ just to keep them away from my home:D |
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AnnaS8
join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD
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I don't mean to be a kill joy here but the fight over Mr Shapiro getting internet was not really what the story was about. It is about the underhanded way he was used in an attempt to erode the franchise agreement that made Cablevision give him service. If you let them get rid of the franchise agreements then they will pick and choose who will get connected and who won't. That will make it that much longer for rural American to get connected. |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
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Re: Do I get it free?
said by Gundam_Toon :Slightly off topic of Cablevision etc... Insight Cable wants $2600 for 400ft of cable to my house Rip Off! Thats cheap when you factor in the costs of labor, digging, right of way, permits etc etc etc. the cable itself is only a couple hundred dollars. its the manpower and permits and such that bump it up.
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packetscan
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Re: Good for Shapiro
Depends..
Do you need to close the road at all?
-the township might require a police officer(s) to direct traffic.
Is it going in the ground?
- survey fees, researching other utilities in the area, cost of materials.
Are you using Overhead poles? Who owns these poles? do they require rent?
There are so many little things to think about including supplies, man power, depreciation on tools and vehicles.
If you have to open the road, Open your checkbook.
I had to fix a 4x6 ft section of roadway after fixing a sewer line. that was 5k. So dropping conduits must be about the same ball park.
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jp10558
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Willseyville, NY
| Isn't broadband starting to be like roads?
I mean, ok, socialist here - and lots of people hate this, but we've had years of telcos battling cablecos sort of fighting wireless/satallite/whatever nonexistant/expensive alternative there is.
At this point, it's basically an issue of no one wanting 50 different wires to their house, or 50 different companies tearing up the roads and such.
So why isn't this a government project like running electricity or telephones were? Why not do it like the roads, and then let the digital equivelent of FedEx, UPS,DHL, and the USPS and whoever else wants duke it out for the head end connection to the net?
Sure, this isn't fair to those who don't have broadband, but then road taxes aren't fair to those who don't drive. School taxes aren't fair to those who don't have schoolchildern. Isn't general infrastructrue basically the reason we have a government? And one of the main things it makes sense for them to do?
I mean, otherwise, we have the crazy inability of customers to get service, or ridiculious connection charges. Then we have the lawsuits against people banding together to get it themselves when the companies don't want to provide it.
Is there a better way? Cause what we have now doesn't seem to be working.
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Chicago, IL | Necessity
Broadband is fast becoming like water and electricity, a necessity.
The Federal Government should dictate that people in rural areas get coverage like they did phone service. |
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