VikingStorm
join:2002-06-25
Omaha, NE
1 edit | Odd
That has to be the oddest way to fight zombies I've seen. Unfortunately, I think most customers who do have their computers taken over, will just move their zombie machine to another service instead of actually clean and maintain their system.
[Not to mention that what, $500,000+ bill?] |
|
XBL2009
------
join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
 ·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | How are they going to enforce this ?
It isn't their network resources being used so why would spam matter to them or servers or WiFI ?
Would they not have to spy on CLEC and what is being transmitted and recieved ?
They should mind their own business.  |
|
anonpronman
@69.183.x.x | Two Words for Qwest
Middle Finger! |
|
TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
|  Too bad they won't actually enforce spam ban
Way too many machines get infected and become zombies. And almost no ISPs do a thing about it. I doubt Qwest will be any different. Which is too bad. That is one TOS that I wish all ISPs would enforce. It would make a big difference in reducing the amount of SPAM.
As for the other restriction, except for imposing them on 3rd party providers, they are pretty std:
no excessive network use(purely determined by them)
no servers
no sharing line with others outside residence(no hotspots)
This is pretty much the same rules imposed by most ISPs.
--
--
Join Red Room Forum
My Web Page |
|
dddddd
@148.177.x.x
| it must be fun to work at the cable company
these days. nothing is better than watching your competitors shoot themselves in the feet so consistently. between the phone companies wanting to charge content providers and now this. I suppose the cable companies are probably taking this time to train their new customer sign up reps which they have started hiring in record numbers. |
|
hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Quest i have one word for you...
CABLE
Third party could just start selling cable, and say they dont have access to qwest lines anymore. |
|
SanJoseNerd
Premium
join:2002-07-24
San Jose, CA
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Too bad they won't actually enforce spam ban
said by TKJunkMail  :Way too many machines get infected and become zombies. And almost no ISPs do a thing about it. I doubt Qwest will be any different. Which is too bad. That is one TOS that I wish all ISPs would enforce. It would make a big difference in reducing the amount of SPAM. So let's see. You get hit by the WMF 0-day exploit, when there was nothing you could do to prevent it. It installs a spam-sender, which pumps out 100,000 spams. You get a bill for half a million dollars. That hardly seems fair.
And consider this. Legally, if Qwest is going to enforce this, they can't just sit back and let huge bills accumulate. When it becomes reasonably clear that an account is sending spam, Qwest has an obligation to cut off service or at least warn the customer. Now if Qwest did that, it would really make a difference. But of course they won't. |
|
Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Era
Are we entering an era when ISP's will make stupid if not impossible demands on other companies? I thought Bellsouth was horrible when they said they wanted to charge Google.
Now it's going to be almost impossible to resell Quest lines. |
|
insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Great spam policy
I wish all ISPs would do that. Although I think the flaw is, that when they see that a computer is sending spam out, they better pull the plug on it rather than let it rack up a bill larger than our nation debt. |
|
King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
Premium
join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC
·Windstream
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to VikingStorm
my terms of agreement
Effective today, I now will be charging Qwest for every spam email that originates from their network, whether it be a result of a zombie pc, or a deliberate attack by an end user, hereafter called a "script kiddie".
I will also begin charging Qwest for any and all traffic that is passed through my domain, at the rate of $5 per Kilobyte of traffic or $1000 per Megabyte or whichever is greater, with the total being accumulated monthly.
I also require 24 hours notice of any cancellations, and failure to provide said notification will result in a surcharge of $125.
For more information, please contact my attorney, Mr. George Costanza.
--
Forget 'em, Support the Indies.»www.ind-music.com |
|
kalphearion
In nomine Patri
Premium
join:2003-11-08
Denver, CO
clubs:
·Comcast
| I was going to switch to Qwest
Because my comcast cable is on the fritz, but after reading that, I am going to stick with comcast, and push them to fix my connection.
Maybe qwest should spend more money on hooking up with M$ and fixing Windows. But if that happened, the world would come to an end.
It is far from fair to charge a consumer, one who is on a 3rd party network, for spam. If the infected machine is pumping out so much spam, the 3rd party provider should cut the connection and inform the user.
Qwest needs to stay the F* out. |
|
shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
| $5 for each SPAM?!?! that sucks!
This is nuts. $5 for each spam is ridiculuous, especially if someone was hijacked be it known or unknown. Who is to decide what is SPAM and what is not. Good luck enforcing this. Pushing rules on all customer of Qwest lines even the line is being resold? Why it nots Qwest bandwidth, its whoever the reseller is, right? Covad, Earthlink, Speakeasy. Crazy. Qwest get your head out of your butt! |
|
King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
Premium
join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC
·Windstream
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to SanJoseNerd
Re: Too bad they won't actually enforce spam ban
That is when you sue Microsoft for failing to provide a patch in a "reasonable" amount of time 
--
Forget 'em, Support the Indies.»www.ind-music.com |
|
vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| How can they?
I'm not signing any kind of contract with Qwest if I use a 3rd party DSL service. I do sign an agreement with the 3rd party provider, but unless they include some kind of parallel language in their T&C, they can't hold me liable if QWEST comes knocking on their door for my violations. |
|
DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| There goes your incentive to choose
The main draw of people to third party providers is to get away from ILEC providers and their nonsense rules and regulations. Even though the price is usually a tad higher with 3rd party providers, people are willing to pay due to having local(and/or US) tech support and ability to use your service as you see fit.
This regulation takes all of that away. And it's a crying shame.
--
:: my trivial ramblings :: |
|
hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | reply to King P
Re: Too bad they won't actually enforce spam ban
Better than that sue them for product liability.  :D:D |
|
gggman4real
join:2003-05-23
Phoenix, AZ
| What does this do for Orb?
I was thinking about switching to Qwest for their 3/5/7 down and 896 up DSL service specifically so I could run ORB »www.orb.com/home and other services like that. After reading the actual agreement, I can't imagine how that could be seen as anything but a server and therefore a violation of the service. Here in the age where software & available speed are finally catching up with what end users want to do, the ISPs are crippling their own networks??? Again, I ask a commonly asked question: If I'm paying for the connection, what business is it what I'm using my upload bandwidth for (web server, private media streaming, etc) as long as it's legal? |
|
Suffering
Retrovertigo
Premium,VIP
join:2004-03-06
127.0.0.1
clubs: | the horse has already been beat to death
»Qwest High Speed Subscriber Service Agreement
It's been discussed on dslr since 12-21-05.
--
kicking screaming gucci little piggy |
|
adsldude
always learning
Premium,Ex-Mod 2003-9
join:2000-11-10
Colorado
1 edit | Qwest High Speed Subscriber Service Agreement
There is a discussion active in the Qwest Forum as well:
»Qwest High Speed Subscriber Service Agreement
EDIT: The link is now at the top of this article. |
|
insomniac
Oh Yeah
Premium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
clubs: | reply to vpoko
Re: How can they?
That's exactly right. If I don't have DSL from Qwest, I'm not subject to their TOS. Period.
--
If everything seems to be going well, you've obviously overlooked something. |
|
