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G_Poobah join:2004-01-17 Schenectady, NY	Didn't you know! The problem is the consumers! They are a pack of lying, stealing communists! Voting to fund a muni broadband deployment that's taking food from childrens mouths! This kind of un-american activity must be supressed at all costs, cause what if other cities/towns came up with the same idea! Why, we could have 100mb symetrical internet access EVERYWHERE! Here's just a small taste of the future! Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions. Mayor: What do you mean, biblical? Ray: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor... real Wrath-of-God-type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Venkman: Rivers and seas boiling! Egon: 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos. Winston:The dead rising from the grave! Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria! It's GOT TO STOP! GOD (well, at least the neo-con leader Pat Robinson tells us) WILL PUNISH THEM!
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Anonymous Premium join:2004-06-01 IA	So now... ...we all know that competition is bad for customers.
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Pz_ join:2001-03-31 Brownsburg, IN clubs:	reply to G_Poobah Re: Didn't you know! I keep reading about the muni attempts here in Indiana, but I'm sure they will be squashed way before we get anything. Let alone 15 meg in both directions. (sigh)
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Derch Premium join:2004-10-16 Tulsa, OK	Hey Utopia! I can guarantee customers if you start deploying in Oklahoma! At least you know what you want to offer people.
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oroper Patriots Rule join:2004-06-01 Beverly, MA	reply to Anonymous Re: So now... said by Anonymous : ...we all know that competition is bad for customers. Is that sarcasm?:D -- I'm a Chapelle Fan-I'm Rich Beehatch!!
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oroper Patriots Rule join:2004-06-01 Beverly, MA	I say to all Muni opponents more FIRE fi di fassi dem
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dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA	FINALLY! Someone offering fiber the way it was meant to run... symetrical! This will hopefully teach xxxxxxx how to do fiber. -- Think outside the Fox... Opera
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	reply to G_Poobah Re: Didn't you know! It seems the consumers aren't as enamored of the Utopia network as you are. »www.lightreading.com/document.as···=news1_4 The UTOPIA fiber network is still in the process of laying fiber in its 14 communities, and so far fewer than 2,000 are now receiving services. Most of those are customers of MStar, right now the primary service provider using UTOPIA’s wholesale network. »www.lightreading.com/document.as···id=81025 Instead of battle-planning for the RBOCs and sharing best practices, city managers and network equipment vendors here were addressing a more fundamental problem: How do you convince a bunch of folks in the middle of Utah that they need 100 Mbit/s going to their homes? But even here at municipal broadband heaven, most of the 450,000 consumers passed by the Utah Telecommunication Open Infrastructure Agency (UTOPIA) network’s fiber are not yet clamoring to get hooked up. -- -- Join Red Room Forum My Web Page
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dvd536 as Mr. Pink as they come Premium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ	reply to dadkins Re: FINALLY! said by dadkins : Someone offering fiber the way it was meant to run... symetrical! You hear that verizon???? "can you hear me now". -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth
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dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA ·Comcast	reply to TKJunkMail Re: Didn't you know! Bring some of that SYMETRICAL fiber here to the S.F. Bay Area for $40 a pop... I bet ALOT people will sign! -- Think outside the Fox... Opera
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	XMission, not Mstar offering 15mbps »Qwest Vs. Utopia In one area, MStar is offering users 15Mbps symmetrical fiber connections for $40. Snapped 2006-01-23 16:38:13 »www.mstarmetro.com/services/iband.html the most Mstar offers is 10 mbps for $39.95/mo. Snapped 2006-01-23 16:38:34 »www.xmission.com/utopia/index.html XMission offers the 15 mbps for $44/mo. -- -- Join Red Room Forum My Web Page
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Zoder join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL 1 edit	reply to TKJunkMail Re: Didn't you know! That quote is pretty misleading. The whole thing says: quote: But even here at municipal broadband heaven, most of the 450,000 consumers passed by the Utah Telecommunication Open Infrastructure Agency (UTOPIA) network’s fiber are not yet clamoring to get hooked up. Out of the 5,000 to 8,000 Gould says are currently reached by UTOPIA's network, only around 500 have signed up. They are currently just under 2000 customers according to your first quote. A 25% takeup rate at this early stage is pretty good IMO.
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MSauk MSauk Premium join:2002-01-17 Sandy, UT	reply to TKJunkMail Re: XMission, not Mstar offering 15mbps Can not wait to move back to Utah to get Fiber! We were moving back for sure, but we will be moving to an area that has Fiber. 15 up and 15 down, yummy
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woodward XMission Broadband VIP join:2000-12-28 Salt Lake City, UT	OOD Take-rates have been surprisingly high in UTOPIA enabled areas. I believe the numbers in that lightreading article come from months old data. XMission has been offering data service over UTOPIA for about six months now. Other service providers have been live for some time as well. The article is simply incorrect on that point. The only real stumbling block in UTOPIA subscriptions were some early network problems that have since been resolved. I can tell you that we have hundreds of happy subscribers... and that I'm seriously thinking about selling my home in Sandy and buying one in Murray or Midvale.
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truocchio join:2004-07-05 Miami Beach, FL	The Real Scoop »www.balhoffrowe.com/pdf/Municipa···face.pdf Here is some actual data for muni projects including UPTOPIA If you want to debate this topic i think its time for everyone to look at the numbers and see the reality of each project....whether bad or good. Its long but I know most of you who care have the time...for the ADD they have graciously added cliff notes. enjoy the truth!
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	said by truocchio : »www.balhoffrowe.com/pdf/Municipa···face.pdf Here is some actual data for muni projects including UPTOPIA If you want to debate this topic i think its time for An excellent analysis. Thanks for posting. And if you don't want to read all 211 pages, then read the Executive Summary running from pages 9 thru 13. I've saved this to disk and will use for reference material in future muni vs private discussions. -- -- Join Red Room Forum My Web Page
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G_Poobah join:2004-01-17 Schenectady, NY	reply to truocchio Hmm. From the actual document.. "By way of disclosure, the funding for this study has come from industry" Lets see now, why does this sound a lot like certain senators and representatives in congress? Ahh! Yes.. Buying the answers you want! It's an astroturfing job.. Balhoff and Rowe are prime mouthpieces for cable/telco companies. Their data and the results, are about as accurate as south korean cloning scientists, just not as smart. -- Sure the internet has lots of porn and piracy, but I'm sure there's a downside to it.
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truocchio join:2004-07-05 Miami Beach, FL	Good job summarily dismissing the article without even reading it. The data is taken directly from the muni's via public record. You dont have to agree with the opinions but you cant argue data from the source. Take the conspiracy hat off for a minute and try to get deeper than than the first paragraph.
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Anonymous Premium join:2004-06-01 IA	reply to oroper Re: So now... Yes it is
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Anonymous Premium join:2004-06-01 IA 1 edit	reply to TKJunkMail Re: XMission, not Mstar offering 15mbps Yeah what a rip off! 10/10 for $39.95 ? I'm much better off with my 5/.25 for $42.95 Oh wait...
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