moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Talk about a head in the sand attitude......
My guess is that they don't want to deal with it anymore and will just wait for a lawsuit to come about.
What I think is funny is all the people that said there was no interference at all yet why did Comtek have to make "adjustments" to their equipment? 
Plus, that Yahoo article was about as one sided as you can get. No one bit of rebuttal. Can you say "stock pumper?"  |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| Campaign
Adams calls the ham concerns "clearly a campaign to turn back the clock on broadband in the United States."
Yes, that's clearly what ham radio operators want to do, stop broadband. {/cynicism} Sigh. All of the hams I know actually have broadband or some kind of Internet access.
I've seen comments from the hams involved in the area. This appears to be a case of the service provider being unable to do anything more to reduce the interference with the BPL equipment they have chosen. Now that a technical solution isn't possible, they're seeking a media-based solution.
Here's a report that was sent to the FCC by several of the amateur radio operators:
»www.target-eng.com/bpl/manassas%···5-06.pdf |
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
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Re: Talk about a head in the sand attitude......
One would tend to believe the Department of the Navy would have a legitimate concern over interference.Could any amount of
"adjustments" fix BPL.? The laws of physics says not possible.I'm 100% in favor of the hams winning.Why don't these $$$$ hungry corporations move forward with fiber.? Instead of pushing 20th century backwards,backwoods BS called BPL.?
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RadioDoc
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said by moonpuppy  : Plus, that Yahoo article was about as one sided as you can get. No one bit of rebuttal. Can you say "stock pumper?" What more did you expect from a press release issued by the company...I would call it more of a "stock fluffer", if you know what I mean.
It's pretty clear that this technology isn't going to work on any kind of large scale. They'd be much better off using the Current wireless hybrid stuff. Oh yeah, that's their competition.
I can re-word their conclusion to be more factual: "Comtek BPL is clearly a campaign to turn back the clock on broadband in the United States."
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
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Re: Campaign
said by rf_engineer :Adams calls the ham concerns "clearly a campaign to turn back the clock on broadband in the United States." OIC and the RI** wants customers to have DRM free downloadable music also.
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K4GVT
join:2006-01-24
Manassas, VA
| reply to rf_engineer
Am I surprised---no! Mr. Adams has tried to tell the FCC "we are going out of our way to look for BPL."
BPL interference is unavoidable, it's everywhere. One good thing about this "flawed technology" is it is highly susceptible to devastating ingress from all types licensed services. Yea, that's BPL reliability. Can you imagine trying to make an emergency call on VOIP, when puff down it does! The designers of these "flawed" BPL systems should be hung! |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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Coloma, MI
| reply to RadioDoc
Re: Talk about a head in the sand attitude......
said by RadioDoc :...I would call it more of a "stock fluffer", if you know what I mean. Yah, they learned that from the telcos and their DSL deployment program of the month, if ya know what I mean. |
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TKJunkMail
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The Ham Radio groups have very low visibility and generate little interest by the vast majority of the public. Their public relations efforts are doomed to failure. If they expect to take on Comtek(and the FCC which is pushing BPL), they will have to do it in the courts.
The Navy, on the other hand, has a lot of juice in the administration. And if the Navy determines that Comtek is treading on their communications, then I expect the FCC will be forced to listen up. The ARRL might get results quicker by getting the Navy to run interference(PUN intended) for them thru the bureaucracy.
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| reply to guitarzan
Re: Campaign
said by guitarzan :said by rf_engineer :Adams calls the ham concerns "clearly a campaign to turn back the clock on broadband in the United States." OIC and the RI** wants customers to have DRM free downloadable music also. I expect the next press release to accuse hams of wanting to deny children cute, furry kittens.  |
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N3OGH
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| said by rf_engineer :said by guitarzan :said by rf_engineer :Adams calls the ham concerns "clearly a campaign to turn back the clock on broadband in the United States." OIC and the RI** wants customers to have DRM free downloadable music also. I expect the next press release to accuse hams of wanting to deny children cute, furry kittens. Well, I am a ham, and let me tell you, we ARE out to deny children cute, furry kittens.
I only have my general class license, though, so right now I'm assigned to denying children STUFFED furry kittens. When I get my Extra, I move to LIVE kittens.
But then again, I'm all ready a Mason, so I get to deny children cute furry puppies, if you read certain things on the internet
/sarcasm off |
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W1RFI
join:2003-05-12
Burlington, CT
| ARRL, BPL and Interference
Unfortunately, this has often been a pattern -- when interference is reported, the BPL operators try to fix it. Some do, but those that can't typically resort to the claim and position that it isn't "valid" interference. This has been more of the same.
If anyone wants to see the volume of interference reports, and the apparently failed attempts to fix it in Manassas, see:
»p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#VA_Manassas
The claim that Amateur Radio or ARRL is somehow anti-BPL because COMTek can't fix the interference from their system is flawed on its face. ARRL has been very clear about which BPL systems do -- and do not -- cause interference.
The Motorola BPL implementation that was set up at ARRL HQ did not cause any interference to a complex Amateur Radio installation located on the same premises as the BPL system:
»www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/0511085.pdf
ARRL has been equally clear that the BPL system installed by Current Technologies in Cincinatti has been operating without major interference problems. The same can be said for the IBEC BPL systems.
The "not valid interference" claim is a smokescreen, and instead of the technical solutions the law requires if there is harmful interference, we are seeing sidesteps and evasion.
ARRL will continue to try to work with those parts of the industry that are willing -- and some apparently able -- to address its interference issues responsibly.
Ironically, the most successful of the BPL industry is building on the cooperative work done by ARRL and HomePlug years before access BPL was really contemplated:
»p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/rfi/HomePlug···ARRL.pdf
Ed Hare, W1RFI@arrl.org
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rideboarder
welcome to the social
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join:2003-07-28
Snohomish, WA
clubs: | Go BPL!
I hope Comtek keeps up the good work. |
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AT1
join:2003-03-05
Sedalia, MO | Just money hungry
As with any commercial operation, once they have to fix their issues they will be out of business so their operating model has to be to deny that there is an issue and try to sweep it under the rug by releasing smoke screen information. |
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TScheisskopf
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join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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Re: ARRL, BPL and Interference
Excellent stuff, Ed. I am not a Ham, but my brother is an extra and I am an SWL. I have been following this megillah with great interest, since there is more at stake in this than most people generally know. I also know that the ARRL and Hams, in general, are not a bunch of whiny complainers and luddites, bent on destroying BPL on some vague hatred for technology. In fact, Hams are traditionally some of the earliest of early adopters, illustrated by the fact that a hell of a lot of people who built and ran Fidonet were also hams. They were some of the earliest computer owners.
You keep up the good fight on this. You are on the side of the angels here.
73 |
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DaSneaky1D
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou | reply to rideboarder
Re: Go BPL!
What good work. Their equipment clearly breaks guidelines set by the national government.
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rideboarder
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clubs:
| said by DaSneaky1D :Their equipment clearly breaks guidelines set by the national government. Says ARRL. If they don't have any hard facts, then that's too bad for them. It's up to the ARRL to provide some accurate information that can be taken seriously by the FCC and Comtek, but at this point it looks like they are whining just for the sake of whining... |
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
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Re: Campaign
said by N3OGH :said by rf_engineer :said by guitarzan :....Adams calls the ham concerns "clearly a campaign to turn back the clock on broadband in the United States." OIC and the RI** wants customers to have DRM free downloadable music also. I expect the next press release to accuse hams of wanting to deny children cute, furry kittens. Well, I am a ham, and let me tell you, we ARE out to deny children cute, furry kittens.
I only have my general class license, though, so right now I'm assigned to denying children STUFFED furry kittens. When I get my Extra, I move to LIVE kittens.
But then again, I'm all ready a Mason, so I get to deny children cute furry puppies, if you read certain things on the internet
/sarcasm off
LOL Since BPL must be compliant with FCC Part 15 rules. One could "burn in" a new hi speed reversable drill,blender or a new shop vac and take BPL off line at will.As for those cute furry kittens and puppies hmmm...
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Jafo232
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join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY | Just Get RIAA
Why don't they team up with RIAA? RIAA would have no problem helping get rid of broadband anywhere..
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dingus_b
@69.7.x.x | reply to rideboarder
Re: Go BPL!
Yes that's a great idea. Let's continue to interfere with the Department of the Navy. So how much stock do you own in Comtek? |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| reply to DaSneaky1D
said by DaSneaky1D :What good work. Their equipment clearly breaks guidelines set by the national government. Don't feed the trolls
I think this interference case has been dragging on for two years. They're in violation of Part 15 which states the device must be shut down if it continues to interfere. If anyone created the same interference with a piece of communications equipment and antenna and didn't call it BPL, they would probably be incurring $10K in fines per day. The FCC doles out $10K to $40K fines to radio and TV stations for not having a public file available for inspection or no ASR numbers on a tower, and that's for just one visit by an inspector and not an ongoing violation. While TV and radio stations aren't under Part 15, you would think after two years it would be time for the FCC to do something. |
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