hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Long Beach, CA | WHAT?
It's all about the money. |
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Bitey
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join:2002-06-14 | When it comes to China's dealings with America
Google is the least of our worries.
And there's nothing more destructive than a Republican with a grudge. |
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nonner9
join:2005-10-14
Charlotte, NC
| I have no position, what's the issue?
Any company doing business in another country must follow the laws of that country. If the laws violate human rights, then this is a political issue, not a business issue.
Look around you, I'm almost 100% sure that something you see was made in China. I would almost bet that 99.99% of the USA population uses or has used an item which was imported from China.
If we are going to go after a business for doing business in China, why not go after consumers of all imports from China. After all, without the consumers buying products, there would be no market in China. Hence, when you buy something, part of the profits will be taken from the Chinese gov't and used.
If people truly care about people in China, then they should not just stop at persecuting businesses, they should themselves boycott any product "Made in China".
Personally, I don't care. If China is oppressive, then it's a political issue, but maybe someone will change my mind... |
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nonner9
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Charlotte, NC | reply to hopeflicker
Re: WHAT?
That's why people go into business... get over it.
If you don't care about money, can I have yours? |
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Cop
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Auburn, AL | reply to nonner9
Re: I have no position, what's the issue?
You have a good point nonner. |
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grcore
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What would you expect from a politician.
Perhaps they should review our governments favored nation status of China, with China's record of human rights violations.
Its a bit hypocritical... |
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KoolMoe
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I almost agree. If Google wants to enter the market and must make some sacrifices to do so, fine. This Congressman (like all others) is just looking to score political points. If he really cared, like you suggested, I wonder what his stance is on the Most Favored Nation status China keeps having renewed...
I think the argument is more - at least Google is allowed somewhat. If not at all, the Chinese public loses a tool for searching the web. As I understand it, if the user finds a site they want but the gov't doesn't allow it to be seen, Google will display that (this site blocked by order of the Chinese gov't - or somesuch). This is GOOD - the people will see how much info there is 'out there' and just how censored they are.
Better to make what inroads we can.
But an interesting point I heard - who is leading who? Is American Business leading China slowly toward greater democracy? Or is China leading American Business toward greater censorship.
I hope for the former....but in our own political environment these days, I wonder.
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pnh102
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said by grcore  :Perhaps they should review our governments favored nation status of China, with China's record of human rights violations. They do, and they renew it every single year.
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Jim Gurd
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said by grcore :What would you expect from a politician. Perhaps they should review our governments favored nation status of China, with China's record of human rights violations. Its a bit hypocritical... I'm all in favor of that. MFN should never have been renewed after the Tiananmen Square massacre. |
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nonner9
join:2005-10-14
Charlotte, NC
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I believe that.
I definately don't support how China run's their country.
I think most people would agree that if people in China were given access to information like most western countries that the Chinese people would revolt in some form, and it wouldn't be long before their communist republic would collapse. |
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33591094
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Re: When it comes to China's dealings with America
Amen!
Odd that a country that embraces capitalism can't see Google's position in that regard. And I'm willing to bet this so called congressman has GWB's hand up his backside.
Not a rumble would have been heard if Google wasn't standing up to the .gov on the search results issue.
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woody7
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It's getting to be election time.....you can expect this from both parties......Kind of takes your mind off the real $hit that is happening or tries to.....If all these countries were so bad, logic would/should dictate that we don't deal with them, except in diplomatic ways....:D:D:D
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czar99
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Re: I have no position, what's the issue?
Well said grcore. This is not a Republican or Democrat thing, it is a political thing. The US does business left and right with China, Saudi Arabia, and France  . But we can not get good cigars from Cuba. The US has always been mad at Cuba for being a communist country less than 100 miles away. |
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yock
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Re: When it comes to China's dealings with America
said by Bitey :Google is the least of our worries. And there's nothing more destructive than a Republican with a grudge. Bullshit. Limiting that statement to "Republicans" is nothing more than inflammatory. Washington DC is an equal opportunity scam with dishonest agendas on both sides of the political spectrum.
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ronpin
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Re: WHAT?
"It is astounding that Google, whose corporate philosophy is ‘don’t be evil’ would enable evil by cooperating with China’s censorship policies just to make a buck" It is astounding that the Republicans, whose official philosophy is "don't be evil" would enable evil by cooperating with China just to make a buck.
Didn't the pot just call the kettle black?
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO | Why is it?
Why is it that Google is bending over backwards to work with a Communist dictatorship but is fighting the US government in court? You either have ethics or you don't. |
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33591094
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Canada
| said by footballdude :Why is it that Google is bending over backwards to work with a Communist dictatorship but is fighting the US government in court? You either have ethics or you don't. Why is it that the US grants MFN every year to China, but is harrasing an American free enterprise corporation? You either have ethics or you don't. |
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Here's an idea Congress: Mind your own business
Great. Now we have another round of Congressional hearings on an issue that has absolutely zero impact on anything in the United States. I'm glad we are paying our Congress Critters to run everything for us.
Google is a company. They can do business with whom ever they please. If you don't like the companies practices, tough. Don't buy their stock.
If Google offered a censored version of their search engine that filtered out all the sex, violence, drugs, etc pages, Congress would be applauding it saying how great it was for the family. Yet when they perform the same censoring for a different set of topics, it's now suddenly so evil and against human rights.
Google had a choice to make: They could either "become evil" and censor search results and in the process pick up a contract in China, or they could keep the philosophy of "don't be evil", lose the contract, and let their competition get it.
I don't approve of the censorship China imposes on their internet feeds. But I also accept it's their sovereign right to do so. Guess what folks, not every country has the same rights as those of us in the US have. (Even those rights we are suppose to have seem not to matter thank you very much Mr. President but that's for another rant).
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pnh102
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Re: I have no position, what's the issue?
said by Jim Gurd :I'm all in favor of that. MFN should never have been renewed after the Tiananmen Square massacre. I'm all for that, but how will you make that argument to the millions of Americans who insist on buying cheaply made Chinese crap?
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Bitey
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Re: When it comes to China's dealings with America
said by yock :said by Bitey :Google is the least of our worries. And there's nothing more destructive than a Republican with a grudge. Bullshit. Limiting that statement to "Republicans" is nothing more than inflammatory. Washington DC is an equal opportunity scam with dishonest agendas on both sides of the political spectrum. That's true, but over the last few years we've seen some spectacular Grudgework. Like outing Valerie Plame. |
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