packetscan
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join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs:
 ·Optimum Online
1 edit | Key Words
"Tariff"
I got Your Tariff right here ED!
"They shouldn’t get on [the network] and expect a free ride."
What Turnip Truck did you fall off of? We all pay, Not one person is getting a free ride!
(My last post before i blow a blood-vessel in my head!) |
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harknell
join:2003-12-23
Highland Park, NJ
| Umm, don't Google, Yahoo, etc pay already?
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but Google, Yahoo, etc... they aren't all sitting in some library somewhere accessing the internet for free. They are paying for their network access to the internet just like every other ISP or network. It's not like they're some guys sitting in a parking lot using someone else's wifi.
So where does all of this extra payment crap and the so called cloud come from? Yup, someone's ass..... |
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garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY
 ·Speakeasy
| Ed, just stop posturing and do it!
Ed, cut your peering, NOW! Cut off your connections to those 'freeloaders' who give your so called network some meaning and value for your subscribers to use. Let your subscribers not be able to get to Google, Yahoo, Ebay, their friends and employers. Then keep it off until all of your customers switch to your competitors, hell even dial-up!
Please Ed, stop talking and just do it! Let's get it over and done with. |
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs:
·Embarq
 ·linode
| how does this help me
If AT&T wants to charge more for backbone access, than do it, but don't try to charge a competitive amount, and then tack on more fees for better access to that same line.
How does this help ME. Without me, and all us other end users, there is no real point in having the network in the first place, so...
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Give me bandwidth or give me death! |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
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| Hey you Mr. Whitacre-ShitBag
those content providers are already paying for "accessing the so-called internet cloud"
it's called HOSTING PROVIDER.
i pay host of my website to connect to the internet, who in turn pay to the backbone provider, who do whatever they do with their peering partners.
EVERYBODY IS ALREADY PAYING FOR INTERNET ACCESS!
STOP INVENTING NEW SCAMS TO RIP OFF YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOU DUMBASS!
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Major Content Providers should block AT&T Now
This silliness is only going to end when major content providers like Google block access to AT&T customers. If Google puts up a page that says something like "Sorry, AT&T won't allow us to let you use Google. We suggest you switch to the following ISPs (showing alternate ISPs in your area, with contact info)", AT&T, and any other ISP as well, will back down from this stupid idea.
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Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! |
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CO_Chris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO | Get Off the CRACK you tard
Ed step back from that CRACK PIPE please.This is why we need to help people getting off drugs for people like.. Thank god i don't have SBC anymore. |
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priller
join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA
 ·voip.ms
·Callcentric
·Vonage
·callwithus
| Companies Making Money Off of Phone Calls
This is like saying that a company, such as L.L. Bean, should pay AT$T for consumers calling them on the phone to place an order. Heck, they are making money from the telephone system infrastructure! They should pay for priority phone call routing!
Just insane. The consumer is already paying the monthly access fee and the companies (like Google) are paying huge $$$ for their access, as well. |
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
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| for real
here we go again...
the cloud eh? well whatever cloud this guy's head remains in, he needs to clear it out real quick...
no kidding there's no 'free' ride, and no kidding we already pay for net access... so does anyone who hosts anything.
why do people like this guy get paid to do anything at all???
looking at a movie for example?? what, does he still think the internet is being used simply to send and recieve emails?
Got big news for you buddy, this thing we call the internet, guess what, people use it now instead of just letting it sit there and randomly spew out text.
guess what else, I already pay for music/video services, and guess what... THEY PAY for THEIR END TOO!!!
Grow up and shut your trap you ignorant moron.
Come out of that 'cloud' of smoke your head seems to be in.
It's too late, you missed the boat, go crawl off and cry about it. |
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WaxPhoto
I AM SAM
Premium
join:2004-04-08
Roanoke, IN | Speaking of free rides...
Eddy boy must have an interesting position on telecom subsidies... |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Well, at least they got the name right....
Calling it a QoS "Tariff" is just about what it is; an extra tax.
Now, reading the article shows the extreme short sighted nature of today's investors.
quote:
The major US telecommunications providers, including T&T, have come under pressure from their investors in part because of their hefty investments in new fibre optic-based networks capable of delivering advanced TV and video services to their customers.
Seems none of these investors heard of building for the future.
How many times have certain automakers implemented regulations AHEAD of schedule? Those that have, are in a better position than those doing it at the last minute.
Face it, the internet is getting bigger, the content is getting bigger and the amount of users is getting bigger. Without a backbone or infrastructure, the data will be going slower and slower and congestion will become a problem. If something is not done now, when will it be done? |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
Premium
join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Internet cloud??? Come on
A young child, staring at the clouds, spoke to Ed: "Do not try to bend the cloud--that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth."
Ed asked him, "What truth?"
The child answered, "That there is no cloud."
Ed meditated on this. "There is no cloud."
The child continued: "Then you will see that it is not the cloud that bends--it is only yourself."
And Ed was enlightened.
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mdlthomas
join:2000-04-24
Clarksville, TN
| reply to moonpuppy
Re: Well, at least they got the name right....
Oh...he is prolly just mad because he lost a dual OC 192 RFP to UUNet, or Level 3. Now he is accusing Google of using the network for free because they aren't paying him directly, only the backbone providers interconnect fee.
Everybody is calling on Ed th STHU (Shut The...), but why don't we consentrate our efforts toward Google, and actually get them to Boycott AT&T.
It is time for the new school of CEO's to stop taking crap from the old school CEO's and stand up, put up their dukes, and FIGHT!! |
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rudnicke
Premium
join:2004-10-23
Rantoul, IL | Contact
I wish there were some way to contact Mr. Whitacre so people could tell him he has his head up his stinky little greedy ass. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to mdlthomas
Re: Well, at least they got the name right....
said by mdlthomas  :Everybody is calling on Ed to STHU (Shut The...), but why don't we consentrate our efforts toward Google, and actually get them to Boycott AT&T. It is time for the new school of CEO's to stop taking crap from the old school CEO's and stand up, put up their dukes, and FIGHT!! This would be a bad idea.
Right now, Ed is digging his own grave.
Let's say that ATT implemented this "QoS tariff." Let's also assume Google refuses to pay up and gets the "best effort" treatment. All Google has to do is put up something that basically says,
quote:
Dear ATT customer,
Due to ATT's implementation of a QoS Tax, your connection to our site might be slower than normal. This is because ATT has decided it wants to charge Google more to be delivered to the you.
Google already pays for its connection to the internet. We do not feel we should have to pay an axtra "tax" just to make sure that anyone using our service, actually gets the data they are looking for.
The internet is not just ATT or Google but a vast network of computers from all around the world. Should everyone have to pay extra just to use ATT's part of the network? Is censorship of sites that won't pay up next?
We, at Google, hope you, the ATT customer, will let your displeasure be known so that everyone can access whatever data they want without having to pay an extra "tax" just to get it.
Let ATT hang themselves with their own rope. Who is to say that other backbone providers hit up ATT for a "QoS tax?" |
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL | New company
New company name, same old tired, outdated, unimaginative "Bell think".
Ed, do us a favor and just retire, before your company goes broke because of your stooooopid ideas! |
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rweeb5
join:2000-08-09
Cleveland, OH
1 edit | Bandwidth
Everyone pays based on the size of their connection to the cloud right? Who pays to make the cloud bigger or more efficient? Not sure how someone like Google pays now, strictly by the number of pipes into the cloud?
I think eventually we all will pay based on amount of data we are sending or receiving, not just pipe size. Electricity is $.x/kw, data will be $.x/packet. Think I'll invest in data compression.
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lvas
join:2001-05-17
Glen Carbon, IL
| dont like it - then build your own internet
gee you guys on this site crack me up. the internet is not free and hasn’t been for a long time. you ever hear of the saying there is no free lunch? You get what you pay for, etc. well the current speeds offered now is exactly that - you get what you pay for. And guess what - you still will have those same crappy speeds when at the same time folks who want to speed more for guaranteed QOS will have better speeds.
However, You all scream for download/upload speeds like Japan/Korean have - but then when the folks who have to build such a network (and their investors) state they want to make return on their investment or they won't build it - you say hell no.
For real word examples just look at your gas station pump – your usually offered 3 grades of gasoline – you buy which ever you like. Now in this year of RECORD profits by the oil companies (yes I would argue its a utility that you need more than you do an internet line) where is the public outrage against Exxon for making 25 billion in pure profit off of your backs. They don’t have to raise the price of gas at the pump like they did – the evidence is in the 25 billion in profits they made. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Wow! Could you possibly apologize any more about the megacorps?
In Japan, you don't pay by the byte, so why would we have to pay for it here?
Real world example? Yes, there are 3 grades of gasoline. HOWEVER, in the real world, if you use the premium gas, it doesn't make the regular gas work less. On the internet, as you stated, there's no 'free lunch', so this so called QOS network is going to have to get it's bandwidth from somewhere. Hmm.. where could that somewhere be? Ahh, yes the 'non extortion paying people' on the network. The QOS guarantee is exactly the same as taking our congested 8 lane highways, and making 6 of the lanes 'toll'. The net effect is the remaining 2 lanes will be so overcrowded, it won't work at all. That's extortion, plain and simple. Time to step in and break up AT&T again.. Too big, too greedy, too stupid.
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Sure the internet has lots of porn and piracy, but I'm sure there's a downside to it. |
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TechSponge
join:2001-05-14
Hillside, NJ | I, for One, applaud guys like Whitacre...
Let em keep on spewing their Imbescilities.
Just making the case for the next round of Divestitures. It is now time to strip the Last mile away from the incumbents and turn every C.O. into a carrier hotel/interconnect NAP. |
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