kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Very true!
I'm saying this for long time... |
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@nc.us
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Perhaps if less attention was paid to corporate greed, outsourcing resources to foreign countries, the Middle East and the lame Space program, then maybe more companies would have the sense to participate in more realistic projects such as alternative fuels and network developments, such as high speed broadband. Nah, makes too much sense, would never work in the US and, at a minimum, would require massive amounts of regulations and political kickbacks. |
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scrummie02
Bentley
Premium
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
| As long as lobbyists in Washington...
..have their way, decisions will be made for the best interests of companies and not citizens. Campaign finance reform needs to happen, and funding from lobbying groups needs to be cut down to a quarter of what it is now. These special interest groups for the telcos will encourage our politicians to only slow our advances in the broadband market by passing asinine laws on preventing municipal broadband. This article clearly shows how that small town in Indiana saved itself from economic collapse by taking matters into their own hands. I can't fault broadband companies for not laying in areas if their is no profit to be made, but if they won't do it, local governments should have the right to..
Sessions also needs to take a seat and shut his soup-cooler. If he wants to ban municipalities from deploying broadband at the cost of the taxpayer/private bonds then he can do that all he wants....in his own state. Passing Federal regulations such as the one he is trying to pass only creates a bigger bureaucratic Federal government, something Republicans are supposed to be against. The issue of local broadband should be up to the local and county governments, not the Federal and Sessions needs to keep his special interest in SBC out of the Federal government... |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | reply to kamm
Re: Very true!
They are stealing our grammar as well!
Bastards... |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL | reply to kamm
Is it rehash Thursday ?
I guess MIT,Harvard,Yale,Northwestern etc... are all runing on dialup. Wake me up when Japan or S. Korea have a greater GDP than USA . |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
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Re: Very true!
said by Shark_615  :They are stealing our grammar as well! Bastards... Especially if we are immmigrants, of course... |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
1 edit | reply to JSRoman
Re: Is it rehash Thursday ?
said by JSRoman :I guess MIT,Harvard,Yale,Northwestern etc... are all runing on dialup. Which has nothing to do with the original post. Thank you for your contriubution.
Wake me up when Japan or S. Korea have a greater GDP than USA .
Ummm what GDP has to do with taking the technological edge?
Wake me up when you've posted something meaningful... |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by kamm :Ummm what GDP has to do with taking the technological edge? The point is that broadband availability and technological availability are unrelated to GDP.
»www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac···ank.html
The per capita GDP of the USA(#4) is far above that of Japan(#22) and South Korea(#51). Japan and SK both have had better broadband options (and a more direct availability of things "higher tech") than the USA for awhile, but this has not resulted in either country overtaking the USA in per capita GDP.
»www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac···ank.html
The total GDP of the USA is also greater than... well... everyone 
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
1 edit | reply to kamm
Article states that lack of universal broadband will basically hurt financially. I have no idea how old you are but I've been hearing that Asians countries are going to eat us up for the last 20 years. Hasn't happened. Yea mega speeds at low price would be nice but it is not the end of the world if everyone in the US doesn't have the option of getting cheap, ultra broadband service. The reason I stated some Universities is because that is where a lot of breakthroughs happen and most of these schools are running on the so called Internet 2 with super dooper speeds. Hope that helps.
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | reply to kamm
Re: Very true!
I'm with you I've been saying this for "MANY" years now.
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| Broadband not Electricity of 21st Century
I think the author's assumptions of economic ramifications are incorrect since not having broadband access in rural areas probably doesn't impact development of applications, products, services and {insert buzzword here }. The fact is you can get broadband in most urban and suburban areas in the US. These are the high tech centers. There are some folks (especially in rural areas) that will probably never want broadband in their lifetimes, unless cable and/or telephony goes 100% IP. If and when that happens, it will be the telcos and cable companies that will by default deliver some form of broadband as its the underlying transport of the service.
I think the hand-wringing over broadband coverage in regards to international competition is unfounded and overstated. The applications will drive broadband into un-served areas in the US, not the other way around. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | can u say auto industry?
sure u can!
I'm sure there was a group that was dismissive of asian auto manufacturers EVER being the equals of the U.S. auto industry.
And now, asian automakers are poised to overtake the U.S. industry, if they haven't already. |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL | The decline of US auto industry has more to do with unions and high health care cost than asian car makers. |
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
| Stupid Topic
Since apparently it's ok to rehashthe exact same story over and over again, I'm going to continue giving the same answer:
Wake me when any of these countries that are "ahead" of the U.S. have anywhere near the deployment challenges to deal with. Not the surface area, not the lack of population density, and not the pre-existing networks and conditions (in many of these other areas worldwide, they simply rolled out fiber form the get-go because they were behind at the time).
Then we'll talk.
Until then, please shut up and stop whining just because you don't have a T3 directly to your desktop yet so you be l33t h0rd3 on WoW. Nobody cares. |
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jdracer47
join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
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Re: Broadband not Electricity of 21st Century
Those are pretty strong assumptions made by someone from a fairly rural area of PA themselves. Ever think about the impact on education of the area's children? Think any of those kids will end up in a tech field, or are they all destined to drive a forklift or work in a coal mine for the rest of their lives. Yeah, screw the rural areas, like the Judge said in Caddyshack, "the world needs ditch diggers too". I personally would like my kids to have the same opportunities to be whatever they want to be when they grow up and not technologically oppressed since we don't make the profit margin list for the local monopoly.
My rural area was the first to force Verizon to deploy DSL with over 15% of consumers signing up for 1 year of DSL service through the BFRR. That is with no guarantee of the cost, there are hundreds waiting for it to be deployed to keep their options open. All areas have SOME people who will never sign up, it is unfair to assume that urbanites are more willing to adopt broadband than everyone in a rural area though. |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX | I know..
Since this seems to be AT LEAST a weekly news article, why not just save some time and create a front page "sticky" with the title "Latest Article Why America is Loosing the Broadband Race". You could also put an "Ignore" button, too. |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
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Re: Is it rehash Thursday ?
The US GDP might be high right now, but beware... America's ability to outproduce may very well suffer in the future if the country's last mile networks stay at their current subpar level. Not that its a bad thing, but its something to keep in mind.
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joshpo
join:2002-09-24
Philadelphia, PA
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I think you are missing the point of the article. The author argues that broadband is a utility because more and more services will be delivered over broadband connections in coming years. This isn't about having the fastest connection so you won't lag in CS. In other words its not about having superior connections to Japan etc, its the fact that there are many people in the US who have no access to broadband at all. (And no, Direcway is NOT broadband!) |
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noone1
join:2004-06-04
Nashua, NH
1 edit | reply to bmn
said by bmn :The US GDP might be high right now, but beware... America's ability to outproduce may very well suffer in the future if the country's last mile networks stay at their current subpar level. Not that its a bad thing, but its something to keep in mind. Do you have any studies or proof to back this up? Please provide evidence to this, white papers, publications, peer reviewed journals, anything?
Then compare this to the next generation communications that are rolling out right now and their impact on "last mile" penetration. (EVDO, 1/2/3xRTT, Fios)
Then balance that versus the US population density per square kilometer against the target countries.
I await your response.
Edit: Sorry to single you out amongst the many who are claiming basically the same thing. |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| said by noone1 :said by bmn :The US GDP might be high right now, but beware... America's ability to outproduce may very well suffer in the future if the country's last mile networks stay at their current subpar level. Not that its a bad thing, but its something to keep in mind. Do you have any studies or proof to back this up? Please provide evidence to this, white papers, publications, peer reviewed journals, anything? Then compare this to the next generation communications that are rolling out right now and their impact on "last mile" penetration. (EVDO, 1/2/3xRTT, Fios) Then balance that versus the US population density per square kilometer against the target countries. I await your response. 1. There are no studies on this topic yet... The last mile network problem hasn't become a major issue yet.
2. READ what I posted... "America's ability to outproduce may very well suffer..." That's not a statement that says it WILL suffer, but that our anemic last mile networks may affect the next generation of services and tools that haven't come out. Strange factors have affected the economic progress of nations in the past before.
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