csiemers
join:2000-09-16
Portland, OR
| Bring it HOME
However, it appears in the article that Qwest only wants it to go out to the communities, and then copper from there to the homes!
Why do something 1/2-way? Take it to the homes so that people can use it or buy services that come via the fiber!
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vavoiper
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Falls Church, VA | Yea....right!
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woody7
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Torrance, CA | hmmm.....
If you discuss it they will come.............
...............................eventually,maybe.....
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| More crying by the bells
Waaaaaaaaaaahhh...
We don't want you to compete with us, so you can't! Oh, and we don't want to build it ourselves. If I can't have it, then no-one can have it..
Anyone with a 2 year old (or a corporate apologist) understands the emotional state these crybabies are in. If it's not their, then it's no-ones!
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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1 edit |  Portland looking to franchise and NOT build
If anyone bothered to actually read the news article you would see that they already are dropping the idea of building their own and have already switched to a franchise solution.
»www.oregonlive.com/business/oreg···l&coll=7
A month ago, Saltzman said he would consider proposing a city-funded network. On Monday, however, he said he will instead try to entice a private company to pay for the network, holding out access to city facilities and the prospect of the city as a major customer as incentives.
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Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN
| Let the city build the infrastructure.
In my mind the ideal setup would be the City building a Fiber network that multiple ISPs could utilize paying the city for the service. It seems like the best and perhaps only way to get true competition beyond a telco and a cableco. Right of ways to bury fiber is not easy or affordable to obtain for a 3rd party. |
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JTRockville
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Portland looking to franchise and NOT build
What makes you think the people who posted didn't read the article? I don't see any comments that contradict this.
So far, the comments are simply criticizing Qwest for objecting to/trying to block competition, when they haven't yet built a network for a competitor to compete with. |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| There is no Free Ride, Portland
Nor is there a free school lunch for that matter.
The city doesn't print its own money, but rather it collects money from its residents. How many and under what threshold of agreement must the Portland residents say YES in order to justify a costly build out to be 'popular'?
BTW, has Portland already defined broadband as a utility, or are they now feeling they have the cajones to play big-business with someone else's money? Its nice to spend the taxpayers money, or someone else's money for that matter, and the worse that can happen is you scam some of it for yourself and get booted from office--maybe even a little jail time.
$470 Million is a lot of money. How much is that per household or per capita? The 2000 Census put their population at 529121. That makes the per capita ~$888 for the build out. So, how many Portlandites are writing checks to cover this, and what other services might get canned or cut as a result of city coffers being dry?
And if its going to go the way of private buildout then why not simply contract with Qwest to build it out at the city's expense? I'm a little lost. If Qwest builds it then the city offers nothing on the build out. If another for-profit company does it the city offers build-out assistance? Where is the rational in that??? |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| reply to G_Poobah
Re: More crying by the bells
Well, if you were a stockholder then maybe you would be crying to. Exactly how should a publically traded company react? Also, I hope some of the Portlandites cry as well at the costs for that buildout. Its not cheap and they will be the responsible party picking up the bill.
One of the interesting things about the popular muni broadband is the myth that a) everyone within the municipality wants it, b) they all want it at any cost, and c) the muni thinks market penetration is substantial when reality often shows that it isn't.
I'll taking crying stockholders over corrupt city politicians anyday. |
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PDXracer
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Grants Pass, OR
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Re: Let the city build the infrastructure.
I will buy FTTH from Verizon, but not Qwest.
They would bring their horrible CS, and overpriced service to us.
No way ............
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL | Ask PA
Perhaps the residents of Portland should consult the populace of Pennsylvania on the telco promise to bring Fiber to that fine state?
Just a thought, |
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jdracer47
join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| Yeah, we have been waiting patiently since 1993. I have fiber to my remote terminal, but not even DSL yet. The only reason we have Fiber to the RT is that I live in an Ex-GTE area and they were actually attempting to live up to the agreement. 13 years: I have held 6 jobs, owned two cars, seen two Presidents, put myself through College, had 5 serious girlfriends, etc. during the same time period. What is the point in waiting for a Telco to do anything, put in the fiber yourself as it is the only way people will see it any time soon. |
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Octopussy2
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL | reply to Cyber2lz
And WHERE IS the fiber in that fine state exactly that Verizon promised?
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Nightshade
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join:2002-05-26
Salem, OR
|  Well Salem Wants Something Different
Well Salem is pondering the deployment of a city-wide Wi-Fi network hosted and supported by the city's open.org network and will offer it as a muicipal service to the citzens of the city
Despite the fact it is only in the very early stages locals who has heard about it supports the idea completely, inculding me. 
The only ISPs who provide broadband service for Salem is Comcast for cable and Qwest for DSL respectively. Hopefully, there will now be a third choice to have. As far as I am concerned, the more choices there is to have, the more power we have as individuals in the market place in our capitalist ecomony. Regardless if the choices come from private companies or public via the government.
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA |  reply to Shack
Re: Let the city build the infrastructure.
BINGO Shack.......I have been trying to tell you guys this for years. If the Cities build the infrastructure, you'll get your FTTH and then you can pick the products you want to buy to use it. |
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Octopussy2
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| reply to jdracer47
Re: Ask PA
AMEN!!! And very funny post! ROCK ON! Yet, sad commentary on the state of the Telco's broken promises. Wake up America! When the Telco's say they will finally roll out services if we JUST allow them to deregulate, or we JUST let them to be a monopoly...and THEN they will upgrade services...they are not always telling the truth...geesh! They exist for one reason only, and that is to make money...a lot of it. Money for them and their stock holders. They don't care about the digital divide, they don't care about giving service to everyone that wants it. They don't care what number in the world we are in broadband penetration. They simply want what is feasible for them.
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sporkme
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Re: Portland looking to franchise and NOT build
said by JTRockville  :What makes you think the people who posted didn't read the article? I don't see any comments that contradict this. He sometimes is holding court on 10 or 12 message boards at once, and gets confused as to which group he's astroturfing to.
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KeepOnRockin
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR
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| Bring It On!
If the City of Portland can have a Fiber network built, then more power to them. I'm sure there will be enough support from businesses and individuals to build the network.
Qwest needs to stop their whining.
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Qwest is refusing to clearly detail when exactly their network would be built, however.
It looks like Portland needs this network way before Qwest would ever get around to building one.
I'm all for this fiber network! |
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rockjock
join:2003-10-14
Salt Lake City, UT
| reply to GhostDoggy
Re: More crying by the bells
said by GhostDoggy :One of the interesting things about the popular muni broadband is the myth that a) everyone within the municipality wants it, b) they all want it at any cost, and c) the muni thinks market penetration is substantial when reality often shows that it isn't. I'll taking crying stockholders over corrupt city politicians anyday. If you think corporate execs (especially Qwest) aren't corrupt, I have a nice piece of beach front property here in SLC to sell you.
Don't be shocked if Qwest begins to lobby for legislation against muni-fiber projects in Portland a la UTOPIA.
Regarding muni broadband myths, UTOPIA is beginning to tell the tale... we'll soon know what is myth and what is not. |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | if they want fiber - build it
If Portland and any other city wants fiber, they should build it. Can never trust any telco, they will take at least 20 years to build. |
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