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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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2 edits | Well now
My main objection to VoIP has been the power issue this hybrid system at least answers that, and bares watching. Of course it will be well into the next century before we see anything like this in Cheyenne but at least it a start to something I would be interested in.
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rileyjam514
There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ
| VoIP isn't POTS....
... no matter how you have it wired.
Granted, there are workarounds aplenty to get things working and ways to be truly "Bell-less" but for a company to claim that everything is going to work just the way it always has like Earthlink did, is just plain silly. I think they were better off branding service through Vonage. Less expense, more revenue, and everything still works.
Of course, that's my 0.02.
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Pizz
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | great offer.
if this should be offered in New York City, i would 100% jump on this. this deal to me is too good to be true.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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Re: VoIP isn't POTS....
POTS isn't POTS either. If you are making a long distance call in the US, your call is being converted from analog into digital between cities anyway. The Earthlink svc isn't any different in that regard.
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rileyjam514
There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ
| Well, what I mean is that VoIP has been advertised and presented as a full and valid replacement for existing telephone service that American customers have come to expect over the years. People don't expect that when they switch providers, they'll need to mess around with networking equipment or play with their demarcation point. Even that, the demarcation point, is something that most people look at and are just dumbstruck as to what the heck it does.
THAT seamless replacement of phone service is what I'm talking about.... the expectation that things will "just work" 99.9999% of the time.
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gimme5
join:2002-12-23
Kissimmee, FL | reply to Pizz
Re: great offer.
I don't think its too good to be true.
In France, for example, they can get 20Meg DSL, unlimited VOIP for 30 euros/mo. |
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Iceblink8
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join:2002-03-21
San Diego, CA | bring it to san diego and I'll sign up
I am so waiting for them to roll this out in San Diego.This deal has TW beat.I could finally drop my RR business and AT&T phone line... |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
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Re: great offer.
said by gimme5  :I don't think its too good to be true. In France, for example, they can get 20Meg DSL, unlimited VOIP for 30 euros/mo. sadly to say i dont live in france! i gotta take what the best offer is in the USA, not the world.
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inkscarab
join:2004-03-20
Harrisburg, PA
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| Alarm option
As far as not being able to use traditional alarm systems, I faced a similar problem when I dropped my landline. I found that alarm.com offers a wireless monitored system and I have been very happy with it. To have ADT add cellular monitoring on top of their monthly rate was more cost than going with an alternative company. You have two options for monitoring, an automated call, email, text message type or a full traditional operator monitor center. I know the monitor center is good as I accidentally tripped an alarm and they were calling me to confirm as I was calling them to tell them it was a false! Plus there's no contract committment! I've used ADT as well as alarm.com for home security and alarm.com has me for the next house I buy. |
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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1 edit | said by inkscarab :As far as not being able to use traditional alarm systems, I faced a similar problem when I dropped my landline. I found that alarm.com offers a wireless monitored system and I have been very happy with it. There's also NextAlarm, who provides monitoring over broadband using what amounts to a customized ATA.
My local monitoring company just sent me a mailer advertising their cellular monitoring service...at least for the next year it'd be only $5/mo extra, plus the device and installation which is $200 or so. I'm debating whether to take them up on their offer and stay with them another year or switch to NextAlarm...
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
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Re: VoIP isn't POTS....
said by TKJunkMail :POTS isn't POTS either. If you are making a long distance call in the US, your call is being converted from analog into digital between cities anyway. The Earthlink svc isn't any different in that regard. Do keep in mind when you use the POTS network in the US, voice data is usually transmitted on private, dedicated fiber trunks with no other traffic other than voice traffic. If mixed with data, voice will get the highest QoS.
VoIP runs on the "best effort" Internet, which is with a pot luck of other data...
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Jim Gurd
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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
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1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :POTS isn't POTS either. If you are making a long distance call in the US, your call is being converted from analog into digital between cities anyway. The Earthlink svc isn't any different in that regard. But that's not the point. POTS is powered remotely by the CO and has backup batteries and a generator to allow calls to be completed even in a power failure. No VoIP system can claim that kind of disaster preparedness.
I remember the power failure of August 2003. I had no power or running water (the pumping stations didn't have backup power) but my POTS line never failed for the entire duration of the outage.
That having been said, what Earthlink is offering sounds interesting, especially the bit about being line powered. That's a big plus in my opinion. I wonder exactly what type of backup systems they have in place. |
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
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join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE | Good speed & no T&A
Well then I don't want it.  |
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danza
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join:2002-08-23 | Wow...
ADSL2+ is out? :O |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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| reply to achuchma
Re: VoIP isn't POTS....
said by achuchma :Do keep in mind when you use the POTS network in the US, voice data is usually transmitted on private, dedicated fiber trunks with no other traffic other than voice traffic. If mixed with data, voice will get the highest QoS. VoIP runs on the "best effort" Internet, which is with a pot luck of other data... Actually that was accurate back in 1996 or so. Today most carriers are using VoIP on their own network. It allows for more statistical multiplexing (ie: oversubscription) than traditional TDM voice carriage does.
VoIP does not need to go over "the internet" to be VoIP.
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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said by Jim Gurd :That having been said, what Earthlink is offering sounds interesting, especially the bit about being line powered. That's a big plus in my opinion. I wonder exactly what type of backup systems they have in place. As far as power is concerned, they have the same backup that the rest of the phone company CO has since they are co-located there.
As far as redundant backhauls out of the CO... well unless they've changed something, Covad is very cheap with that.
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sporkme
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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Re: Wow...
said by danza :ADSL2+ is out? :O Welcome to the world outside the United States!
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
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Most DSL providers are mailing their customers modems that will support the standard. It's really a small change on the CPE end.
It's odd that Earthlink is allowing only 6 meg service when they're clearly in range and have the equipment to do up to 24meg. |
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Matt
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| reply to rileyjam514
Re: VoIP isn't POTS....
said by rileyjam514 :Well, what I mean is that VoIP has been advertised and presented as a full and valid replacement for existing telephone service that American customers have come to expect over the years. People don't expect that when they switch providers, they'll need to mess around with networking equipment or play with their demarcation point. Even that, the demarcation point, is something that most people look at and are just dumbstruck as to what the heck it does. THAT seamless replacement of phone service is what I'm talking about.... the expectation that things will "just work" 99.9999% of the time. Did you completely gloss over this part of the article?
The interesting bit is that the bundle uses Covad's line-powered voice, which needs no consumer side hardware, works through every jack in the home, and receives its power from the jack just like regular phone service&$#46 The service functions much like typical POTS in that regard until it hits Covad's new Nokia DSLAMs, with traffic routed over Covad's nationwide UNE-L network, avoiding bell infrastructure.
No need for the consumer to "fiddle" at all. |
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rileyjam514
There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ
| The service works in terms of making standard voice calls, and in that respect it is a valid POTS replacement.
In the respect that people expect any other services to work over Earthlink's TrueVoice, like faxes, home alarm systems, dial-up modems and such, it is in no way capable of being called a POTS replacement.
That's the thing about POTS, VoIP and LPV. None can do all of the features without some adjustments out-of-the-box. POTS doesn't have VoIP features, VoIP doesn't have emergency power backup, and LPV can't handle anything but standard voice calls.
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