nonner9
join:2005-10-14
Charlotte, NC
| shady business practices...
I don't think people, in general, want these 3rd party advertisements on their computers which popup or redirect the web browser.
Does the fact that exploits are used to install the product without consent show that 180Solutions is in a field which really isn't wanted?
I'd like to see numbers on how sucussful this deceitful advertising is... because I don't really know anyone who looks at popups longer than just closing them.... |
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| To me, this is like Disney sneaking into my house because a window wasn't locked and putting a Disney World advertisement DVD into my player.
How this isn't illegal is beyond me.
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rileyjam514
There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ
| reply to nonner9
The companies don't care if you close the popups. The point is to distract you enough with a barrage of the same window enough that it gets into your subconscious.
It's essentially blanketing you with fifty advertisements in the hopes that at least one gets through to you. Those odds are why the companies continue to pay for pop-ups and web advertisement. It isn't that people are paying attention - it's the possibility that people could pay attention.
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kissmyazzSpammer
@comcast.net | The only good Spammer is a DEAD Spammer !
That's right DEAD ! |
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | reply to Jafo232
Re: shady business practices...
lololol
Can you imagine waking up and seeing Mickey sneaking in your house through the window? I would be seriously tripping. |
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PissedWithPopups
@167.1.x.x |  reply to rileyjam514
Then these companies paying for the adv should be prosecuted. If they stop paying there would be no popups. |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| reply to rileyjam514
Myself
I dont understand why anyone gives any credence to what these turds like 180 Solutions say. It is their business model to be scumbags and do this kind of stuff, plain and simple, yet, every time one of them announces "see? we're reforming, please believe us", it's plastered all over the internet like it was gods truth to be believed at face value.
Then, a few months later, a thread like this appears sadly proclaiming that they APPEAR to have lied to us all, sniffle. HOW could they DO that to us?
Now, lets all post the endless speculation as to why they might lie (money) and why everyone thinks they are scumbags, what popup ads really are and.... |
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GeneStarwind
join:2001-12-13
Fairfax, VA | Malicious hacker * 30 = Legitimate, profitable organization.
Someone remind me on how, in any way, this is different from a semi-malicious trojan attack? Just because it's done by a "legitimate" (term used loosely) firm as opposed to a single, or small group of users, it somehow, automagically becomes legal? |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | No one here really thought . . .
that they were going to change their change their shady business practices, did they?
Once a spammer, always a spammer.
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RDins
@comcast.net | reply to PissedWithPopups
Re: shady business practices...
Obviously it is paying off, otherwise they wouldn't keep paying for advertising. Trust me, people are clicking it. |
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claudeo
join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
|  Go after the advertisers!
Let the world know that these *advertisers* are doing this, by any means at your disposal, and let the advertisers know what you think of their method and how it is costing them your business. Outfits like 180solutions will stop this crap only when advertisers stop paying for it. |
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bedelman
Premium
join:2004-06-20
Cambridge, MA
| Responsible advertisers and ad networks
Claudeo, I agree completely that it's important to remember who's funding these bad actions. If you flip to my publications page, you'll see more than a dozen articles about specific advetisers and ad networks -- whose money funds the spyware disaster. Clearly there's more work to be done in this field -- and I definitely have more planned for the coming year.
Ben |
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csnewbie
join:2001-02-12
Atlanta, GA | reply to kissmyazzSpammer
Re: The only good Spammer is a DEAD Spammer !
agreed. send them to jail and take away all there money. |
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Rogue Wolf
Is Kind Of A Big Deal In Yemen
join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Jafo232
Re: shady business practices...
said by Jafo232  :To me, this is like Disney sneaking into my house because a window wasn't locked and putting a Disney World advertisement DVD into my player. I'd call it more along the lines of spraypainting their website name all over the inside walls of your house. Certainly some of these spyware packages are even harder to remove than spraypaint.
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keith2468
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
| Ben Edelman should have reported the crimes properly
The FBI and DHS are very interested in these sorts of crimes.
If Edelman is an expert, he should know this.
Edelman should have provided whatever evidence he has to the authorities, as well as discussing it here.
Reporting instructions are in part B of this FAQ:
»Security »How to report ID theft, fraud, drive-by installs, hijacking and malware?
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spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
Premium
join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
 ·SureWest Internet
·FrontierNet Intern..
| You did not read his site link: To quote:
"Despite my decision not to work with 180 on resolving these installations, I will make my research available to those with a legitimate need to know. I expect to provide (and in some cases already have provided) this information to law enforcement officials considering action against 180solutions, to private attorneys in litigation against 180solutions, to members of the press seeking to verify my findings, and to other security researchers. Please contact me to request the original raw video file. As usual, I also retain full packet logs, raw screen-captures, registry change logs, filesystem change logs, HijackThis logs, Ad-Aware logs, and additional records."
A little knowledge goes a long way my friend!;)
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