rileyjam514
There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ
| Let's not forget....
... the commercials running on Cablevision and Comcast services (I have Comcast, family has Cablevision) which pound into the consumer's mind the idea that EVIL VERIZON is lobbying Trenton to institute an additional "cable tax" that even if you don't use the service or can't get it, you'll be charged.
I'm all for competition, but let's at least be honest here, boys!
Has anyone else seen these "Verizon Cable Tax" commericals, with the group of people putting bags of money into a garbage.. thing..?
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| Here's my horror story....
I tried to upgrade my Ameritech/SBC/AT&T dialup but DSL is not available here. The archaic telco did offer 128k ISDN but wanted $200/mo just for the line, ISP was an additional charge.
Thankfully, Comcast CABLE offers 8800k HSI for a much more reasonable fee. Comcast cable ROCKS!
Now, where do I collect my ipod? |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Propoganda.. by both sides
But it does provide interesting ammo.
The cable ad I just viewed brought up a VERY interesting point that the telco's are desperate to downplay. Basically, to get a statewide franchise (which verizon desperately wants), it gives the telco's the ability to pick and choose not just towns, but NEIGHBORHOODS to wire up. I'd never thought of that aspect, but it does make sense..
Why should verizon have to wire up the 'other side of the tracks' with FIOS if they want to provide TV in my town? I mean, it won't be a profit center for verizon, so why should that have to do it? Well, the same reason COMCAST had to do it, the local government demanded equal access for ALL it's citizens, not just the rich ones. If Verizon wants to provide FIOS in my town, then it does it for ALL citizens, not just the 'rich people'. Guess what, that's the power of democracy overriding the greed of capitalism, as it should be. If verizon wants to service my town, then verizon does it under MY RULES.
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | I wasn't aware that Cable TV (or CATV over Fiber, IPTV, or Satalite) is that important. |
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letitbeknown
| Here once and for all...
Neither cablevision or verizon are offering anything particularly good for the video market.. they both suck.
Satellite is the way to go until these two find a way to acutally CHARGE LESS, offer more. And.. screw the local towns, they get "balls" under most circumstances as far as franchise fees are concerned.
Lets not forget the adage: subscriber be wary.
In the Verizon corner, you've got FORCED bundle overpriced POTS phone service.
In the Cablevision corner, you've got micromanaged and throttle/capped service and restrictive use.
So, for most of us, its picking the one you can temporarily stand without going broke, exploding, or smelling like the latest sewer rat.
And if that person got something for FREE, GOOD, your all just jealous it wasn't you. They're not exactly going broke offering the consumer freebies to subscribe, they know they got you dopes. |
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rileyjam514
There You Go Again...
join:2005-06-26
Kearny, NJ | hahaha
I just got the title reference... lol.
Phoney baloney vs. Phoney Baloney..
Yeah it wasn't that good of a joke but thanks for trying! |
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| reply to G_Poobah
Re: Propoganda.. by both sides
said by G_Poobah  :Why should verizon have to wire up the 'other side of the tracks' with FIOS if they want to provide TV in my town? I mean, it won't be a profit center for verizon, so why should that have to do it? Well, the same reason COMCAST had to do it, the local government demanded equal access for ALL it's citizens, not just the rich ones. If Verizon wants to provide FIOS in my town, then it does it for ALL citizens, not just the 'rich people'. Guess what, that's the power of democracy overriding the greed of capitalism, as it should be. If verizon wants to service my town, then verizon does it under MY RULES. If you turned your trolling to other sections of the site, especially ones that address FIOS installs in neighborhoods, you will notice actual users that had FIOS installed in rich, middle class, and lower class neighborhoods.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to G_Poobah
quote:
If Verizon wants to provide FIOS in my town, then it does it for ALL citizens, not just the 'rich people'.
I have seen no real evidence that Verizon is targeting rich people. In Los Angeles we have "rich areas" such as Ranchos Palos Verdes and Rolling Hills Estates. They are Verizon territory. If Verizon was targeting rich people only, those folks would have been the first to see FIOS. But there's no FIOS there. And heck, it would actually make sense for them to roll out FIOS there since most customers in those areas can't even get DSL. Meanwhile areas like Ontario and Victorville are getting lit for FIOS. They're certainly not "rich" communities.
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| said by djrobx : quote:
If Verizon wants to provide FIOS in my town, then it does it for ALL citizens, not just the 'rich people'.
I have seen no real evidence that Verizon is targeting rich people. In Los Angeles we have "rich areas" such as Ranchos Palos Verdes and Rolling Hills Estates. They are Verizon territory. If Verizon was targeting rich people only, those folks would have been the first to see FIOS. But there's no FIOS there. And heck, it would actually make sense for them to roll out FIOS there since most customers in those areas can't even get DSL. Meanwhile areas like Ontario and Victorville are getting lit for FIOS. They're certainly not "rich" communities. The problem is that verizon wants special treatment, and just wants to bully towns around. Either wire the whole town, or none at all. Cablecos have to, so verizon should have to as well. Our former cableco RCN tried to do this, and were legislated out of the state. I think there should also be a builtout performace agreement once verizon is allow in, under a "agreement" from the town. Our cableco had only 2 yrs to rebuild there entire network. I think that is fair for Verizon to have to do in any town. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| reply to achuchma
Wow, you want to apologize for Verizon? Lets look at the FACTS..
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···id=67123
"Specifically, the two carriers operate under very different cable franchise agreements. One big point of contention is that Charter was required to provide service to everyone in Keller under its agreement. Verizon, however, is only required to serve those in its territory -- and it has the option to come back at a later date and build out its network to reach into SBC's territory."
Why the hell should Verizon get a 'free pass' when Comcrap got slapped down. BOTH of the companies are acting like monopolies, and trying to screw the customer as much as possible. It's called capitalism. Luckily for us, we have democracy to bitchslap them back to reality. Companies exist to service us, the customers, not the other way around. Once they get too big and greedy, they all seem to forget that.
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
Premium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY | reply to G_Poobah
I guess you didn't read the OP post. TW had a franchise agreement and still picked the side of town they wanted!
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| reply to G_Poobah
Nice deflection, but I was responding to your comment of:
said by G_Poobah :Why should verizon have to wire up the 'other side of the tracks' with FIOS if they want to provide TV in my town? I mean, it won't be a profit center for verizon, so why should that have to do it? So, again, as I stated before...FIOS has been confirmed by plenty of members of this site that it has been wired in high, middle, and low income areas, therefore putting a kink in your "cherry picking" conspiracy...
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| said by achuchma :So, again, as I stated before...FIOS has been confirmed by plenty of members of this site that it has been wired in high, middle, and low income areas, therefore putting a kink in your "cherry picking" conspiracy... Well said. And that's a fact. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| reply to achuchma
Kink? Cherry picking? What the hell are you talking about..
Cherry picking means that they can wire up part of a town, and not the other part. What they are wiring up now for FIOS TV is between verizon and the town verizon signed with. If the franchise agreement says 'you can wire up this neighborhood first, and the others next year', well that's the agreement the TOWN reached. The problem occurs when you remove the elected town officials from the picture.
Verizon, once they don't have to deal with town governments, is obviously going to wire up area's that they get the greatest return from. And that's going to be the area's where they think they will get the highest number of customers. And THAT's going to tend to be the affluent towns. There's no point in arguing that I'm wrong, because the SHAREHOLDERS will demand that verizon get the best returns, and the scenario I described is the winning capitalist technique. Why in the hell would verizon spend millions wiring up parts of a town where only 1% of the people would sign up? That would be a poor business decision.
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | Just for giggles...
How many correspondents on this site do you think get paid by the word or the piece to post or respond?
I know I have my suspicions. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to G_Poobah
Re: Propoganda.. by both sides
said by G_Poobah :Kink? Cherry picking? What the hell are you talking about.. The kink he is talking about is the obvious one in your conspiracy theory that Verizon FIOS only caters to the rich. Completely false.
Every point you try to bring up is nothing more than pure speculation and anti-telco opinions on your behalf. Never factual, as usual. |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD
·VoicePulse for Bus..
·Verizon FIOS
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·Future Nine Corpor..
·VoiceStick
| reply to G_Poobah
How do you figure the local franchise system helped him? It sounds like Cablevision made a business decision to provide service to these 32 homes. It then took months to get a waiver from the state. How did existing franchise laws help him? Couldn't Cablevision have started construction upon making the decision if they had a statewide franchise? |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| reply to achuchma
said by achuchma :Nice deflection, but I was responding to your comment of: said by G_Poobah :Why should verizon have to wire up the 'other side of the tracks' with FIOS if they want to provide TV in my town? I mean, it won't be a profit center for verizon, so why should that have to do it? So, again, as I stated before...FIOS has been confirmed by plenty of members of this site that it has been wired in high, middle, and low income areas, therefore putting a kink in your "cherry picking" conspiracy... But do they have to ? What is to prevent from cherry picking in the future? I guess verizon can just do as it pleases without penalty. |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
 ·epix
| reply to G_Poobah
said by G_Poobah :Companies exist to service us, the customers, not the other way around. Once they get too big and greedy, they all seem to forget that. Really that is news to me, I'm reading those posted words yet I'm not quite believing it.Suppose one is in Comcast territory and has Comast HSI & TV.
Now when Verizon brings its FIOS to town,if one stays with Comcast for service, Can Verizon hit Comcast subscribers up with a "non service non user agreement fee.? jk 
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ :said by achuchma :Nice deflection, but I was responding to your comment of: said by G_Poobah :Why should verizon have to wire up the 'other side of the tracks' with FIOS if they want to provide TV in my town? I mean, it won't be a profit center for verizon, so why should that have to do it? So, again, as I stated before...FIOS has been confirmed by plenty of members of this site that it has been wired in high, middle, and low income areas, therefore putting a kink in your "cherry picking" conspiracy... But do they have to ? What is to prevent from cherry picking in the future? I guess verizon can just do as it pleases without penalty. No, they are under no requirements to wire FIOS in any order at this point and time; however, given how the roll out of FIOS occurred across income class, it is unlikely that Verizon will change direction.
I think (this is opinion, based on industry rumors), that FIOS is basically intended to replace Verizon's copper plant, which means all Verizon serviced areas will be on FIOS sooner or later. This, of course, takes time just like when cable was rolled out.
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