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2 edits | Is anyone really suprised?
The **AAs won't aren't going to stop until every type of search or indexing of their material is banned. Yea, I know. What about Google? Don't worry. They'll be sending letters to them as well (if they haven't already)
The question now will be which NZB sites will be the first to fold under the pressure. |
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User0101
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| NZB Search
Glad I use the NZB search engine provided by the Usenet Service I pay for. Got to love it when your provider removes X-TRACE header and NNTP-posting-host header data. Plus the fact that downloaded data is not logged at all.
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gheezer
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1 edit | Sooooo.........
Theft and facilitation of theft is ok? Just askin is all...cause the material IS copyrighted.... |
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walliser
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Re: Is anyone really suprised?
It seems they always go after what they just found out about. Surprising it took them this long. Not that it will affect anything. Pfft... I can create my own NZBs from scratch, if I want to.
If they go after NZB indexing sites, shouldn't they have started with google.com first? I mean... have they ever typed "warez" or "serials" or anything like that into google? 
All that energy spent on tracking pirates, we could have a cure for cancer, AIDS and Alzheimers already if they only put it towards good use. |
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User0101
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Re: Sooooo.........
Theft is bad kids... Mkay. |
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Chiyo
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clubs: | So what happens to the money I pay for a services I pay for on certain indexing sites? I know server costs but I hope they don't leave us  stupid **aa |
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walliser
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Interesting question, and I am no lawyer, so I can not answer it.
There is however something to be said about personal responsibility. Just bc there are NZBs pointing to warez, does it mean I have to download what the NZB points to?
Am I responsible for what you do if I tell you where to find the local crack whore? (Prostitution being illegal) Personally I don't think so. But we are dealing with the **AAs which annoy *ME* with those anti pirating commercials when all I am doing is watching a movie I *legally* obtained at the videostore or purchased. Pirates don't get to see this sort of crap, funny, ain't it. |
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StudioTech
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said by gheezer  :Theft and facilitation of theft is ok? Just askin is all...cause the material IS copyrighted.... So are you saying that a site that offers to create NZBs based on a search that the user initiates should be shut down? |
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nixen
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Re: Is anyone really suprised?
said by walliser :It seems they always go after what they just found out about. Surprising it took them this long. Not that it will affect anything. Pfft... I can create my own NZBs from scratch, if I want to. If they go after NZB indexing sites, shouldn't they have started with google.com first? I mean... have they ever typed "warez" or "serials" or anything like that into google? I dunno, seems a pretty smart strategy. After all, who would you sue: someone with really deep pockets who's likely to fight back or someone who can't afford a team of lawyers who's likely to just "roll over"? Besides, you chase the easy ones, first, and you might get the chance of establishing precedent to help you crack the harder nuts.
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chia
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Shouldn't it read "MPAA Attacks NZB Sites"? I don't see the other evil twin mentioned in the press release. |
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adssafca
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who cares if torrent spy or isohunt goes down, all the torrents linked from piratebay and other public trackers and piratebay aint going down anytime soon |
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TKJunkMail
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|  All these lawsuits based on SC Grokster decision
All these new lawsuits are based on the green light the US Supreme Court gave the copyright holders when they handed down the Grokster decision. »www.techlawjournal.com/topstorie···627a.asp
And the key parts or phrases in that decision was this:
"one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties." AND "One infringes contributorily by intentionally inducing or encouraging direct infringement, ... and infringes vicariously by profiting from direct infringement while declining to exercise a right to stop or limit it, ... " The Court also stated that "these doctrines of secondary liability emerged from common law principles and are well established in the law".
They are interpreting the promoting infringement part to include any service that assists in the locating and downloading of copyrighted materials. And that means indexes and search tools. Whether the entertainment industry's interpretation of that decision is correct or not will be fought out in court. But unless you are a big deep pockets corporation, you might not have the funds to make the fight.
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When will real justice be served to the xxAA. :/ |
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Shamayim
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Re: NZB Search
said by User0101 : Plus the fact that downloaded data is not logged at all. Or so they claim...
I've yet to see a definitive answer to the question of whether or not there is a law that requires NSP's to keep a record of customer downloads.
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Re: Sooooo.........
said by gheezer :Theft and facilitation of theft is ok? Just askin is all...cause the material IS copyrighted.... It's not theft, it is copyright infringement. You do not deprive the owner of their physical property with file sharing.
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Pirate515
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Re: Is anyone really suprised?
said by nixen :I dunno, seems a pretty smart strategy. After all, who would you sue: someone with really deep pockets who's likely to fight back or someone who can't afford a team of lawyers who's likely to just "roll over"? Besides, you chase the easy ones, first, and you might get the chance of establishing precedent to help you crack the harder nuts. Precedent or not, harder nuts like Google, MSN, Yahoo! etc. will not give up so easily. I really do hope that RIAA/MPAA are stupid enough to go ahead and sue one of these companies, maybe they'll finally get sued out of existence and the world will become a better place.
Oh yes, and if worst comes to worst, indexing sites and newsgroup providers will move overseas to countries that do not cooperate with RIAA/MPAA, and pirates will continue happily leeching...
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1 edit | reply to gheezer
Re: Sooooo.........
said by gheezer :Theft and facilitation of theft is ok? Just askin is all...cause the material IS copyrighted.... In which case it's violation of copyright not theft, nothing has been stolen as the original holder of this material is still in posession of it and is not being denied use of it. This has been done to death and is conveniently forgotten by corporate apologists.
This is *not* criminal action, these facists don't bring criminal action they bring civil action, even if they do do their best to make out that they are the law.
Yes I used the word facists these guys don't appear to care about the law in any way, indeed they bribe and 'lobby' (I love the way that 'lobbying' translates to bribery most of the time in the US) to have the law changed for their convenience, and indeed break the law when they see fit.
Kinda scary that we're going that way here as well, is a shame when elected officials pander to private interests though so many of them do that whichever country and continent, don't they?
Personally I think they're wasting their time with .nzb sites. These guys might facilitate theft, but then again so does your ISP by giving you a connection which *can* be used to download copyrighted material.
No probs with them going after the people who share / upload the stuff though, so long as they are doing it legally of course
PS I mean the standard laws not the ones their 'rent a government' people introduce for their benefit. |
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kamm
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Re: All these lawsuits based on SC Grokster decision
Right, so since they reach far further out than SC meant it, they will be turned down this time. |
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kamm
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3 edits | Take the NZB but hands off our newsgroup service, parasites!
You, cheap low-life bloodsucking parasites at **AA, you can take NZB sites, who cares but take your disgusting, fat hands off of our newsgroup service.
It's older than this net, it is ours and it will be there always. In case you haven't learned your lessons, losers, you are losing this fight no matter what unless you can turn around and find a new way for yourself in this business.
In this particular case it'd take years and billions for you to even minimally restrict NSPs - and what would you earn?
Nothing because we'd move to use non-US NSPs, so you could shove the fully illegal DMCA up to your stupid corporate asses, losers. 
You guys are the losers here and you will be gone within few years, I bet, due to your inability to adapt, hahaha, idiots.
Mark my word: **AA will lose this fight within 4-5 years. Adapt or die, there's no other way, that's the rule. |
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parev
join:2005-11-29 | don't worry
Don't worry they close one another two opens.RIAA,... are hard headed they don't know that they can't win.Technology evolves day by day,if they want to live in the last decade let them.:) |
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