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 | AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
1 edit | Re: LOL grandpinaple: Yeah but the most important part was look who was doing it: RCN! If I had to guess I KNEW IT WOULD BE THEM just like they have shills as well.
This only proves what Ive been saying all along! 
RCN is a bad bad bad company that resorts to low life tactics. Verizon also does some bad things, can't leave them out such as charging for Installation on FIOS installed said to be free.
When is there going to be honesty in communications? We all need broadband but noone wants to be honest and play by the rules.
If you don't want to be honest, then I don't need what you are offering! | |
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join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA
1 edit | Re: LOL AJ,
Do you always have to poke your slimy head above the parapet every single time RCN's name is mentioned?
Did anything or anyone suggest RCN condoned this?
RCN employs a number of commission paid door to door salesmen. However, NOTHING in this story actually verifies the man in question WAS an RCN employee.
And how can you be sure this wasn't just a VZ cheap publicity stunt?
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join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY | Re: LOL nozzer actually where were you on that day since you are from MA?
I was actually thinking it could have been you. | |
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join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI | Re: LOL It'd involve a Comcast field employee actually doing something for once, so of course not.  | |
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said by Primis1:It'd involve a Comcast field employee actually doing something for once, so of course not. Oh yeah! Ex-Comcast customers know the feeling of waiting, and waiting and....
Good retort Primus1!
I needed to laugh today, I got it  | |
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|  PhilRojo SolPremium
join:2001-06-11
Camarillo, CA
kudos:2 | And petty. Like that's going to do a damn thing...
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|  pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium
join:2000-12-03
Brandon, FL
kudos:4 | and quite hilarious at the same time. RCN is pretty afraid of the competition.
I'd love to see a story of BHN doing it
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Nice opening post! not...
You know what? All corporations are capable of doing dirty stunts. I love how the public loves to jump in and assume. I guess who ever's mission was accomplished. This is the reaction - of whom ever, that was desired. People believe anything they read. (and this site is the proof of that)
1) Who says maybe Verizon made the story up to get RCN in bad water?
2) Why would RCN waste so much time 'stealing pamphlets' to stop competition? A pamphlet thief? Yea.. taking all the pamphlets is going to stop Verizon FiOS. 
How do we suppose RCN is going to stop the television commercials and billboards too? How are they going to stop all the billing inserts? And news paper and radio ads? Is that RCN employee going to jam the radio frequencies? TV frequencies too? Come on'...
3) I don't care HOW slime a company is, I really REALLY doubt RCN would waste time and money plotting the heist of Verizon pamphlets..
Maybe it was in fact a sales man of RCN that did this, but I REALLY REALLY doubt that RCN condoned the actions and if this was a rogue salesman doing it, I really doubt he will have a job any more.
This story, at best, is ridiculous. | |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY | RCN resorts to low life tactics Figures RCN would do that rather than improve the quality of its network!
That is so typical of RCN.
RCN can steal some flyers, but RCN can't match Verizon's marketting muscle. It cant afford it.
RCN knows they are going down and fast too. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: RCN resorts to low life tactics said by AJ023:Figures RCN would do that rather than improve the quality of its network! That is so typical of RCN. RCN can steal some flyers, but RCN can't match Verizon's marketting muscle. It cant afford it. RCN knows they are going down and fast too. You assume and believe anything, don't you? Where's your proof? You gotta love ASSumptions.... | |
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| |  WutanGPremium
join:2001-12-12
Seaford, DE | Re: RCN resorts to low life tactics its called an hypothosis,not some simple assumption.And i guess you know it all,so everyone join around and listen to the wise man,lol | |
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: RCN resorts to low life tactics No, it's not. It's called an assumption. Making a conclusion on baseless backs? To call it a hypothosis based on nothing substantial to back up any of your thought process? Wow.
Plain and simple, that statement was an assumption. | |
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 juiceleePremium
join:2000-12-04
Hacienda Heights, CA | How about this? Instead of spending resources to block the competition (whether they involve stealing pamphlets or buying politicians), these companies could divert a ton of money into infrastructure upgrades and enhanced services. Verizon seems to be the only one going that direction. | |
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| | | Re: How about this? said by juicelee:Instead of spending resources to block the competition (whether they involve stealing pamphlets or buying politicians Hmmm, lets see... Buying politicians in the state of Massachusetts, who has heard of such a thing? LOL!!!
Bring back Mike Dukakus! Now there was a man with a good buy-able government structure!  | |
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join:2003-08-10
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1 edit | Re: How about this? said by cothrom:Buying politicians in the state of Massachusetts, who has heard of such a thing? LOL!!! Bring back Mike Dukakus! Now there was a man with a good buy-able government structure! Yeah, people up here make sweeping generalizations about the political history & culture of your state too. They generally have to do with racism, body fat, educational deficits, teen rape rates, and the bible belt problem.
You can take comfort in knowing ignorance & intolerance is not just your problem. | |
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| | |  PixelFreakInnocent Until Proven Guilty
join:2001-02-21
Bremerton, WA | Re: How about this? oh, pwned. No, actually, cothrom  got Pwned.
It's a sad state of affairs to have to say the above, but I have to agree with jap . It just reminds us all "Those that live in glass houses..."
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| | | | | said by jap:said by cothrom:Buying politicians in the state of Massachusetts, who has heard of such a thing? LOL!!! Bring back Mike Dukakus! Now there was a man with a good buy-able government structure! Yeah, people up here make sweeping generalizations about the political history & culture of your state too. They generally have to do with racism, body fat, educational deficits, teen rape rates, and the bible belt problem. Ignorance about the strengths & weaknesses of regional cultures is a problem here too and breeds similar social intolerance. Spare me the BS, I owned a house in Mass for 20 years, lived there for over forty. I know the South has a terrible history, but I am not getting taxed to death anymore and I have no need for a snow shovel. I remember the incest capital of the north too, my wife was a nurse up there and they needed special training to deal with the problems of close genes. Preach to some unknowing fool, they may believe your rhetoric | |
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join:2003-08-10
038xx | Re: How about this? Mine was not BS, though I did latch upon your trollish OT which ought to have been ignored. My point was simply that leveraging a minor news story into an opportunity to advance sweeping political stereotypes or talking points is lame - so I answered in kind. | |
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| said by cothrom:said by jap: I remember the incest capital of the north too, my wife was a nurse up there and they needed special training to deal with the problems of close genes. Preach to some unknowing fool, they may believe your rhetoric Now your talking BS. "special training" for incest..priceless lol | |
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 JRW2R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
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| No surprise here! Most cable companies do NOT want any competition, so this does not surprise me in the least...
Right now most cable companies enjoy near monopoly status in the neighborhoods they serve, and will do anything to keep out competitors, even going so far as to have roof mounted satellite dishes ruled illegal... (It failed, in my area)
They even put up ads that are blatantly false when it come to reception via satellite dishes during rain, which we have all seen...
FIOS offers an next gen approach to feeding data, TV, phone, etc to a person's house, a direct competitor to cables little domain.
The future holds hope for all of us with competition..
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| mglunt
join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA | Re: No surprise here!
I got something in the mail from Comcast one time regarding the local sports channel call Comcast Sports Net which shows the Capitals and Wizard games.
The flyer said that the channel was "exclusive" to Comcast Cable. This of course was a total lie. DirecTV has always had the channel since way before Comcast bought the naming rights. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | said by JRW2:Most cable companies do NOT want any competition, so this does not surprise me in the least... Right now most cable companies enjoy near monopoly status in the neighborhoods they serve, and will do anything to keep out competitors, even going so far as to have roof mounted satellite dishes ruled illegal... (It failed, in my area) The mounting of a rood dish or any dish for that matter is nothing that can be stopped on a local level in the first place. A dish is allowed to be mounted at any structure, even a rented apartment per federal rules. If the only location is a roof for signal, then it is allowed. It CAN, however, be challenged on the roof if there is another position that it can be mounted out of plain view.
But, cable is not a monopoly since satellite has come along. If you are claiming it's a monopoly because satellite is a service from the sky, then the same will be said when Fios comes to the area. Cable - coax delivery, Satellite, p2p delivery, Telephone Services, delivered through Fiber. You can't claim monopoly on cable due to the fact that satellite is a wireless service. Do you turn on your TV and get a signal? Then you have a choice.
They even put up ads that are blatantly false when it come to reception via satellite dishes during rain, which we have all seen... Rain fade is a fact. Snow, wind, etc, all can and do affect satellite service. Where is it "blatantly false" when it comes to those ads? Want to hear lies? Listen to satellite speak of cable. Satellite makes far more dangerous claims about cable than cable does about sat. Satellite will soon have to stop talking about digital cable being "partially digital" when in fact in many areas, that's a flat out lie.
Minneapolis is a pure digital system when it comes to "digital cable" yet they still run ads that claim it's not. I think it's time for them to stop running lies or start disclaiming their own ads.
Sat also loves to talk about contracts that cable requires you to be in and how THEIR service puts a DVR in your home without any start up costs or equipment to buy as is with cable.
Get your facts straight please.
FIOS offers an next gen approach to feeding data, TV, phone, etc to a person's house, a direct competitor to cables little domain. The future holds hope for all of us with competition..
You are correct and Verizon is no innocent party to all of this. You want to sell a service? SELL IT! Shut the FU about the competition and sell your own service. If Verizon's FiOS product is so good, then they don't need to talk about cable now do they? If you want to complete, then sell your product at a good price. I swear, the reason why I stop watching tv for about 3 months out of the year every two months is because I am tired of all the politicians slinging mud at each other. "Joe Thomas is a creep, he beats little ladies for fun. Vote form Steve Johnson!" What does that do, really? What did we learn about Steve Johnson? That he hasn't beaten a lady? When I watch a comercial for Qwest, I hear about how bad cable is and when I see a cable comercial, I hear about how bad telephone is. When do I get to hear about how good the product they want me to buy is? | |
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join:2004-07-12
San Francisco, CA | it is shady... but i love my RCN 10mb cable connection. | |
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| | LOL I could strongly imagine Comcr*p (Comcast) doing this! | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: LOL said by OldschoolDSL:I could strongly imagine Comcr*p (Comcast) doing this! And I bet that you are easy to work as a muppet too. ASSumptions are bad things much of the time. You arrumption is exactly what the negative ad campaigns are all about. This nation doesn't play on the positive side of things, rather, it insights the negative about things to "anger the public" and turn them against the competition.
Sorry for the little slam there, but seriously, why do you have to look at the negative all the time? I don't understand why people always have to be on the attack. Your strings are being pulled just as planned. | |
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 VarlikWithout Honor You Will Never Be FreePremium
join:2002-01-06
Anderson, SC | So funny it seems unreal. That has got to be a joke right. So cable employees are going to start pulling stunts with FIOS just like they did with Dish and Directv when they first began taking off.
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|  hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Re: So funny it seems unreal. said by Varlik:That has got to be a joke right. I smell B.S. too | |
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| | MADx
join:2005-05-25
Richmond, IN | Re: So funny it seems unreal. FIOS is alien technology that was the M.I.B:D | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | When satellite first came out, cable was VERY reserved in it's approach, at least comcast was, in attacking cable. The official comcast policy, IN WRITING as passed around, was NOT to speak badly about satellite. Their official policy was to speak of the positive aspects of cable. Areas like PPV was ordered on the account and viewed in all rooms for one price, no fee to have additional outlets, and HSI was just around the corner. Stuff like that. They didn't come out and talk about the ugly dish, rain fade, the HUGE box that was required, the fact that three parteis were involved with service calls (the provider, the installer where applicable, and the box manufacturer, the fact that cable would fix your service at no charge.. etc. (Insert immature comments here if you feel the need)
However, on the flip side, Satellite came out from the shoot on the attack and with negative slams against competition. Way to go sat! I guess cable finally had enough and played the game. You can thank satellite for a few things. They laid the ground for cable to follow. I guess cable figured that if people were filling to pay $5.00 "per room" and have to buy a PPV PER BOX, that it was ok for cable to do the same. Hmmm.... LOVE competition! | |
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Laurel, MD | Re: So funny it seems unreal. said by fiberguy:You can thank satellite for a few things. They laid the ground for cable to follow. I guess cable figured that if people were filling to pay $5.00 "per room" and have to buy a PPV PER BOX, that it was ok for cable to do the same. Hmmm.... LOVE competition! My family was paying box rental fees to cable companies long before DirecTV or Dish existed. You can't blame them for that. | |
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: So funny it seems unreal. Oh my F'ing god!
Don't you think your time spent posting the obvious was now wasted?
Cable = box was mostly OPTIONAL and *rented* for use. (service level required and certainly wasn't $5.00 back in the day of dish. Most boxes were about $2.00 on average and was set by the government at the time dish came out)
Dish = box is MANDATORY and has always been $5.00 to active a box that you had to purchase.
There is a HUGE difference. | |
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Laurel, MD | Re: So funny it seems unreal. Our cable boxes were not optional, nor were they cheap. Maybe you were lucky enough to be in such a situation. | |
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| | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: So funny it seems unreal. I guess we need to be repetative and redundant for the small exceptions that did exist out there so here goes:
1) More systems, than none, were trapped systems and didn't use addressable service for basic cable. Most US systems were a no box required with CBL ready set.
2) Premuims required a box and therefor was optional.
3) During the time DISH came out (as stated) box fees were regulated and I can't think of a system out there that had a box out there that was worth a $5 rental per month.
4) The box was still rented, not an owned box where you paid for the priveledge of having it activated.
5) Those with non CATV ready sets HAD to rent a box no matter what and again, that was a choice on the sub.
6) Many systems trapped, and didn't scramble BASIC services.
7) SOME SYSTEMS WERE EXCEPTIONS to these statements. Yes, some people had no choice but to rent a box, however, the fee for box rental wasn't as much as DISH (at the stated time) and you were renting equipment you didn't have to purchase.
Since box rental fees were based on depreciation over the purchase cost of a box, I can tell you there were no analog boxes in production that justified a box rental fee that was equal to the charge of an outlet fee for sat. A brand new S/A 8300 analog box with advanced features and the best on the market at the time - brand new - calculated out to $2.83 per month.
Again, there are very few exceptions that do exist to the over all rule, but I don't remember my post being specific and all inclusive. | |
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| RClepto...N Well,
My buddy is being laid off from RCN. And they told him this 6 months ago. And he is still working for them. And putting in more hours.
"who's more the fool: the fool or the fool following the fool?"
He doesn't drive a black car, btw.
Makes you think about those postal workers that keep the mail... | |
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| AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
2 edits | Re: RClepto...N Did your buddy at RCN get a raise or overtime pay or is he just working more hours for the same pay to keep his job? | |
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| Re: RClepto...N I think its same pay. I know he was salary so I doubt they offered him OT. 
Just don't get it...
Especially don't like how RCN razed some property in Princeton, NJ and almost killed off some historic tree for some property they went bust on.
They missed the boat sometime ago. (I used to be a dialup sub with Erol's until RCN took over. Then it went downhill after a year...) | |
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 kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Just your typical cable company attitude... ... so I don't think it's news. | |
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| | Maybe Cable companies maybe pulling stunts like this, but if the bells start going forward with their extortion tactics then I will stick with the cable company provided they don't do the same low life tactics the bells are doing. I would rather pay ten dollars more for unfiltered access through a slightly worse pipe than $55 a month for 30/5, in which the carrying medium was paid for by extortion. | |
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 ToadmanHypnotoad
join:2001-11-28
Ohio
kudos:1 | How is this illegal I fail to understand why this is illegal. the pamphlets were left on a doorstep, and someone took them. If someone broke into a car to get the pamphlets, then I see the issue.
Everyone is in business to eliminate the competitor. If it was you and some yahoo was going around leaving your competitor's pamphlets at doorsteps, I doubt that you wouldn't grab them either. | |
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 pokesphIt Is Almost FastPremium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
kudos:1 | fios land hey at least they haven't resorted to cutting the fiber.. yet.
guess we'll see that next month, huh? | |
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|  intellerSociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: fios land yeah, if someone were to ever get a hold of verizons fiber map, armed with a concrete saw and some quick crete to fill up the cut, a person could do some damage.
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | Any proof besides what this promo person says. "When he approached a house, he was told that the man in the black car was an RCN employee."
Sorry, but I'll call BS on this. Who told him? How does he know it was an RCN employee? Maybe it was a community where they have a no solicitation policy. Sorry but this comes under wishful thinking in my book. | |
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join:2005-07-20
Midlothian, VA | ??? This doesn't make any sense, why would a cable company pay some dork to run around a neighborhood picking up flyers? It would be a complete waste of money when the same people end up seeing verizons ads on TV and Radio, of which RCN can't touch.
It's most likely some retard that is doing it for his own reasons. (RCN employee or not) | |
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| | | Re: ??? I don't think they would. If this person actually even works for RCN I would be willing to bet he took it upon himself to do this and it was in no way the responsibility of RCN or a directive given to him by any management official of RCN.
One man's actions, regardless of who he works for, does not hold the entire company responsible for those actions. I know in this "blame someone else, make the ones with all the money pay, hold the higher ups responsible" society we live in may say otherwise. But unless the company encourages this action, the company should not be blamed for the stupidity of one (or even a few) of it's employees.
I did this as a kid once when a company annoyed the hell out of me and then started passing out flyers in my neighborhood. | |
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join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: ??? Who knows what's true? Not very likely to be an offical RCN policy, but if true, probably representative of RCN allowing the idea that this type of behavior is cool. Corporate culture and all.
And no matter how many notices you mail, insert in a bill, drop off at the door, or ads you play on TV, people will still say they never heard of it. | |
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 PlasticmanWill Work For BandwidthPremium
join:2002-09-06
Harrisville, RI | To put the bite on RCN I have just contacted my local tv news station to see if the investigative team can look into this in depth. They are going to check it out. Maybe the Investigative Team at WJAR Channel 10 news in Rhode Island can dig deeper into this. Sounds like it will make a good story.
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| |  braynesPremium
join:2005-03-14
Waterville, ME | Re: To put the bite on RCN What if the VZ person was just screwing off and got cot and made the whole thing up?
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| | cptmilesPremium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN | I agree...NO PRESS IS BAD PRESS applies. | |
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| | Mail the fliers out! Verizon should just mail out the literature instead. I don't think RCN or anyone else would want to deal with breaking federal laws for stealing mail. Must say it only shows what levels the cable companies will go to, to keep competition at bay as long as they can.  | |
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 nipseyrusselNipsey Russell, yo
join:2002-02-22
Philadelphia, PA | littering personally, i would be grateful if someone did this in my neighborhood, as i consider this littering. if he kicked the verizon guy in the arse, too, i would feel even better.
it should be illegal to drop "garbage" on peoples doorstops in every municipality as it just adds to the garbage problems. | |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY | Picking up flyiers is not illegal If someone put a UPS package on the front doorstep and someone stole it, that would be theft. Stealing someones newspaper, that would be theft.
As for a flyer, Im not sure how the law works since it wasn't something that the owner had requested to put there.
In my MDU, we have had RCN and Time Warner flyers. I keep throwing out the flyers and wish they would stop sending them in the mailboxes all the time. If I wanted a flyer I could just pick one up out of the stack of thousands that noone touches. | |
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