  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Uh huh... »lw.pennnet.com/articles/article_···d=233568
"Pinnacle will deploy the company's FiberPath 500 system to 1,800 customers in its Lavaca exchange. The GPON system offers 1.2 Gbit/sec downstream and 622 Mbit/sec upstream bandwidth for the delivery of advanced voice services, symmetrical high-speed data service, and Internet Protocol TV (IPTV). The system is fully compliant with ITU FSAN standards."
Bolding mine.
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 | JohnAPremium
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Uh huh...
I rather doubt that Pinnacle will be seeking out that 25% of the state either. | |
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1 edit | said by dadkins:» lw.pennnet.com/articles/article_···d=233568"Pinnacle will deploy the company's FiberPath 500 system to 1,800 customers in its Lavaca exchange. The GPON system offers 1.2 Gbit/sec downstream and 622 Mbit/sec upstream bandwidth for the delivery of advanced voice services, symmetrical high-speed data service, and Internet Protocol TV (IPTV). The system is fully compliant with ITU FSAN standards." Bolding mine. The deployment is going pretty briskly in Lavaca, too. See lots of ONTs (that is what Verizon calls the boxes, not sure if they are the same thing in Lavaca) going on the sides of houses all over town with orange conduit leading to them.
Not sure about the symmetrical internet service, though. A while back, I talked to a Pinnacle tech and he said that the speeds would be 5 mb down/1 mb up...but that was a while back. May have changed their specs by now. Depends on how much the Gibsons (phone company owners) want to spend on their backhaul.  | |
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| | | Pinnacle is the NW Arkansas company, headed by J.B. Hunt. I assure you that deployment will be in NW Arkansas and in areas where there is money to be made. Most of the state can forget it.
It is a lot like cable TV. Much of Arkansas will never have it because of the sparsely populated areas. | |
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1 edit | Re: Uh huh... said by Goldman:Pinnacle is the NW Arkansas company, headed by J.B. Hunt. I assure you that deployment will be in NW Arkansas and in areas where there is money to be made. Most of the state can forget it. It is a lot like cable TV. Much of Arkansas will never have it because of the sparsely populated areas. ????? AFAIK, J.B. Hunt does not own Pinnacle Communications in Lavaca. I personnally know the owners. You must be thinking of another Pinnacle. See »www.pinncom.com . They also own the phone system in Panama, OK. Funny thing is that they haven't updated their web pages reflecting the new service. I think the last web person they had only worked on the pages in her spare time. | |
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| | thats not too bad 20-25% isnt bad for a hardly populated state (backwoods) | |
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| | | Re: thats not too bad And home to one of the most advanced data centers in the world.
That would be Wal-Mart. | |
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| | | | Re: thats not too bad Aye, we're the home to walmart. We're also home to Acxiom, one of the biggest data center companies in the world.
Acxiom is an industry leader in the area of grid computing with its CII (Customer Information Infrastructure. | |
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| | | The urban population of Arkansas has risen steadily. The rural population declined from the 1940s through the 1960s, but in the 1970s it again increased. Nevertheless, the urbanizing trend continued. By 2000, 53 percent of the people of Arkansas lived in areas defined as urban. The average population density in 2004 was 20 persons per sq km (53 per sq mi).
In the 2000 national census, Arkansas had 2,673,400 inhabitants, compared with 2,350,725 in 1990.
Thanks for calling my state "backwoods". | |
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join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA Reviews:
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| Re: thats not too bad said by Necronomikro:The urban population of Arkansas has risen steadily. The rural population declined from the 1940s through the 1960s, but in the 1970s it again increased. Nevertheless, the urbanizing trend continued. By 2000, 53 percent of the people of Arkansas lived in areas defined as urban. The average population density in 2004 was 20 persons per sq km (53 per sq mi). In the 2000 national census, Arkansas had 2,673,400 inhabitants, compared with 2,350,725 in 1990. Thanks for calling my state "backwoods". I do/did live in WV and it is backwoods/Podunk take your pick. Population 1.7m and steadily decreasing. | |
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| | | | 25% of 2,673,400 people is only 668,350. Out of that how many of those live out in the boonies....
I think BBR is blowing this out of proportion...thats not alot of people....and most of those probably live out in the boonies away from civilization anyway... | |
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join:2002-06-25
Heber Springs, AR | Backwoods? The people in towns and suburbs all over this state who can't get broadband might differ with the characterization.
There's a commercial strip center near here (Wal-Mart Super Center, KFC, Taco Bell, etc.) where AT&T won't deploy DSL. Too backwoods I guess.
The primary problem is that this state is mostly under the thumb of AT&T/SBC who, for whatever reason, simply won't deploy DSLAMs in many of their COs and almost none of their RTs. Too backwoods I guess.
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join:2002-01-31
Fort Smith, AR
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| Re: Backwoods? True Fort Smith is the second largest city in Arkansas and you can not get DSL in all of it. To add that in places where the real expensive houses are you can not DSL but, in the older part you can.
The old 100+year copper work real good to (sarcasm). | |
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|  EricthornIt only hurts when I laughPremium
join:2001-08-10
Paragould, AR
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| In NE Arkansas, Jonesboro/Cox Comm just got people up to 3mg down about a year ago. Here in Paragould, most of the DSL is 768k if you're lucky. The Power/Water company here offers many different flavors of cable packages, up to 2mg down at 60$/mo, but the network is so totally congested you're lucky to see 25% of that during 'peak' hours (but you can still shove out 400k up). SBC (now AT&T) is the backbone here for everything, but I think they see no reason to upgrade based on what profits they might see from the investment.
I moved here from California a few years ago and wouldn't leave if I was paid twice what I am now, but it would be nice to see some growth in the DSL/Cable.. I get deadly envy when I read about places getting 5/10/15mg downs for what I'm paying, or less.
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| | Yep, backwoods I have a work at home person about 35 miles SW of Little Rock. I tried to find anything other then POTS dial up for here and get nothing. I tried to get a 56Kbps DS-0 line installed for our frame network and SBC came back and said it would cost $100,000 for a build out at the CO for her since the CO couldn't even support a DS-0. Yep, backwoods. | |
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1 edit | Re: Yep, backwoods Charter in Saline county doesn't even provide cable internet because they are not even set up to. Too many promises "Coming soon" from them.
SBC won't sell aDSL to me but Earthlink will? Speeds are equal to what SBC would have sold to me but more expensive than what SBC packages are.
That tells you about the region that is south west from Little Rock.
The best broadband coverage of ever other than in the captial city of Arkansas is Russellville. I used to live there, the choices were awesome. It covered almost the entire Pope County.
I'm stuck in Benton so bring on the BPL. | |
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| | KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Yep, backwoods isnt Benton where Walmart world HQ is? one would think the town of walmart would have tons of BB options.
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| | | | | Re: Yep, backwoods No. That is Bentonville which is at the very northwestern corner of Arkansas. Tyson is another large company in Arkansas but is located nearby in Springdale. | |
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| | | BigCreekGod Is Good.Premium
join:2002-06-25
Heber Springs, AR | That would be Bentonville.
But Benton is a sizeable town next to a sizeable city. There should have been lots of alternatives there.
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| | | | | | Re: Yep, backwoods I live in benton. We have... SBC (AT&T), SBC and, uhh, SBC for broadband. Ticks me off. $70/month total bill, just basic phone and DSL. 1.5MBit down, 384kbit up. | |
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join:2004-01-22
Lowell, AR | Wal-Mart's office is in Bentonville. It's about 150 miles from Benton. Bentonville has pretty good coverage in town (Cox, ATT), but like most local towns suffers once you get out of range of the CO.
Wal-Mart has their own stuff, and doesn't use much of the local infrastructure. | |
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| | | | Coverage might be ok in Russellville, but Cox cant seem to ever keep the speeds stable here. When I go back to my parents house in Bryant, which is in Saline County, I'm always jealous of there constant 6mb connection. they are about to switch to SBC/At&t now, becuase of there new 12.99 offer and of the fact that the local CO is about a tenth of a mile from there house. | |
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| | | | | Re: Yep, backwoods My point is..
You can choose Cox cable, various of DSL providers/options, and wireless providers.
During that time and in the Pope county, I used Cox cable for a while until I went with TranEdge for sDSL. I was well beyond the city limits. I also sampled Wireless internet for a bit too. Their primary dsl provider is Centurytel. | |
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| | | Can you guys get Wildblue in AR? I live in WV and can't get anything but satellite...but I love my Wildblue as much as my 3.0 DSL at work. | |
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| | BigCreekGod Is Good.Premium
join:2002-06-25
Heber Springs, AR | Re: Yep, backwoods said by jaywv3010:Can you guys get Wildblue in AR? I live in WV and can't get anything but satellite...but I love my Wildblue as much as my 3.0 DSL at work. Most forms of satellite are available most everywhere. I had DirecWay for 3 miserable years. Glad to hear you're happy with WildBlue, but (no offense intended) frankly I gotta laugh at any implication that it's as good as a 3M DSL. No way.
Satellite Internet is not broadband. Not even close. Ping times of 1000ms will never qualify to be called broadband. And they are not even in the same league for reliability or price.
Satellite? Just say no.
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join:2004-01-22
Lowell, AR | AT&T, heal thyself Perhaps one reason is that AT&T (formerly SBC) has developed a habit of building RTs and leaving them dark. If AT&T would DSL-enable some of those existing RTs, the percentage would probably decrease.
Before you flame, I'm talking about fully-built RTs, and yes I can give you examples and pictures.  | |
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| BigCreekGod Is Good.Premium
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Heber Springs, AR | Re: AT&T, heal thyself said by dg2:Before you flame, I'm talking about fully-built RTs, and yes I can give you examples and pictures. Me too.
Had a conversation with an AT&T lineman recently. He said essentially every RT in the state already has a rack/shelf set to hold the DSLAMs. All AT&T would have to do is set the equipment and jumper it to the voice and start taking customer orders. But they have "decided not to". His words.
Wish someone could 'splain this to me.
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The strange thing is that they live in Fayetteville about 100 yards from $750K+ houses filled with lawyers and salesmen that followed the Wal-Mart/Tyson dollars to Arkansas and ripped up some beautiful hillsides to put in their big houses just to find out they can't get DSL. Apparently AT&T doesn't want their money because it's right their asking to be taken. | |
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join:2003-09-13
Huntington Beach, CA | Been there, suffered that I had to pay 150$ a month in Fayetteville for a ISDN line....it was the ONLY choice I had.
Can you say I'm god with hyperterminal?  (you have no idea how often you have to config obsolete crap thru hyperterminal).
I'd wager it's closer to 50-60% of Arkansas that can't get broadband....likely higher.
SBC/AT&T are lying dogs.
BTW, I was less than 1 mile from UofA Fayetteville and had the fibre optic multiplexer for the entire northwest Arkansas 5 houses down the street from me (read about 300 yards).
I love the state, gorgeous country.....I won't be going back any time soon though, for above stated reasons. | |
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|  h4x0r3dPremium
join:2003-04-13
Oxford, MS | Re: Been there, suffered that i doubt this.. not that high. | |
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|  HetermanPremium
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Fayetteville, AR | We have a couple of broadband options now. Maybe you could consider coming back since we have "upgraded"? | |
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Alma, AR
kudos:1 | FTTH I just want some FTTH! | |
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|  99664227Heavily MODeratedPremium
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USA | Re: FTTH Yeah I just had it put in the front yard last month. Just waiting to hear when they will actually be going live with it in my neighborhood though.
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| The reason 25% of Arkansas cant get broadband... ....is because CenturyTel has 25% of the Arkansas market and those fuckers have a dirty monopoly on the areas they control. There are PLENTY of places in their territories that could be DSL ready, but they wont do it. I hope the new Alltel/Valor wireline venture buys their asses and shuts them down.
If you live in a CenturyHell area I really feel sorry for you. That is the worst telco EVAR!
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| | | Re: The reason 25% of Arkansas cant get broadband... Alltel is wanting to leave wires and get more strength in wireless industry. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: The reason 25% of Arkansas cant get broadband... uh yeah, thats why I said new Alltel/Valor wireline venture. I am quite aware of Alltel spinning off wireline into this new merged entity.
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Benton, AR | I live in Benton and I qualify for cable internet from Comcast but they will not serve me due to the fact that Charter is too close to me so that is out and SBC will not give us DSL and the best dial up we can get is 24.4Kbs due to bad wiring in the neighborhood and I don't live in a cheap area. | |
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1 edit | Re: The reason 25% of Arkansas cant get broadband... One cable provider per county. You're in Saline. That's Charter's terrority. We should bitch to the county officials for a better cable provider that can provide high technology advancements to this county instead of letting one stink us up.
Or throw me few thousands and I'll go into building a WISP that'll take over the county.
BTW: Try getting Earthlink ADSL. You might qualify. That happened to me when SBC refused to provide me ADSL so I checked if I could get DSL from Earthlink. Now, I had it for a bit over a month and it sure beats dialup. | |
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North Little Rock, AR | said by shoan:I live in Benton and I qualify for cable internet from Comcast but they will not serve me due to the fact that Charter is too close to me so that is out and SBC will not give us DSL and the best dial up we can get is 24.4Kbs due to bad wiring in the neighborhood and I don't live in a cheap area. We have some wifi infrastructure on Alexander mountain.
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Rogers, AR | I live in Bentonville Wal-Mart spent approximatley $2 billion creating an underground datacenter immune to earthquakes/fire/flood/tornadoes , and laid approximately 50 miles of fiber connecting offices/warehouses/datacenters .
Yet half the town can't get DSL from SBC . The ones that can get cable are lucky if they can connect for more than 1 hour out of the day because of broken cables/faulty equipment , etc.
I almost wish Wal-Mart decided to be NW Arkansas's ISP . They could wire the entire county with Fiber , and do it well and probably a lot cheaper than SBC or anyone else ever could . | |
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Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| Re: I live in Bentonville oh bullshit. That is an exaggeration and you know it. connect for more than 1 hour out of the day....give me a break. if the cable co truely provided that kind of service the city would yank the franchise.
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|  felonyguiding you homePremium
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Aurora, CO | said by isoz:Wal-Mart spent approximatley $2 billion creating an underground datacenter immune to earthquakes/fire/flood/tornadoes , and laid approximately 50 miles of fiber connecting offices/warehouses/datacenters . Yet half the town can't get DSL from SBC . The ones that can get cable are lucky if they can connect for more than 1 hour out of the day because of broken cables/faulty equipment , etc. I almost wish Wal-Mart decided to be NW Arkansas's ISP . They could wire the entire county with Fiber , and do it well and probably a lot cheaper than SBC or anyone else ever could . walmart should just AK's isp. lol | |
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Fort Smith, AR |  Does mean anything for Fort Smth?
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kudos:1 | Re: Does mean anything for Fort Smth? you say that like you should be getting awesome speeds....what you need to learn is where the co's are and what the distance limits are of DSL. | |
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join:2003-12-28
Fort Smith, AR | Re: Does mean anything for Fort Smth? I've already learned it and I know what the limits are. My question was if the fiber optic project going on in my area is going to affect me any. What SBC needs to learn is they are going to have one less customer that pays $200+ every month for phone and internet service if they don't install some new equipment in the near future. | |
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Little Rock, AR | Re: Does mean anything for Fort Smth? Heck, I live 1 mile south of Little Rock city limits and can't get Comcast (300 yds south of me), Cox (1 mile north of me), but I can get Charter (They don't have HS Internet, but "Any day now" (They have been saying that for 7 years now)). So I have DW and while it is better than nothing, it sux.
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| | inistec.net just picked up a flyer for this place in lehi yesterday, there putting towers up all around forrest city AR, dunno how the service is supposed to have a guy out this weekend to make sure i can get a signal and see how strong it is (will ask him to use this site for a speed check) but at any rate this is the hardware there using :
airmatrix home - 2.4ghz 802.11b (basically a giant wifi card with an antennae sticking off the top of your house)
and airmatrix base towers
its $199 for the equipment and setup then 49/month for 512k (they say both ways) and 69/month for 1mbit (again both ways) the airmatrix company sells pcmcia cards with an antennae you can attach to the top of your car for roaming around...but i dont see that as being usefull.
but for someone that cant connect over 24.4 (when it isnt raining) 512k doesnt sound to bad. will post a report on how it is later i guess | |
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