SilenceGold
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Benton, AR | AOL asked for the taxes so why don't we return the favor..
SO why don't we go ahead and tax all those unwanted AOL cds that we get in the mail? |
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Guru
join:2005-12-01
Canada | WTF
E-mail Tax?
Garbage... Total garbage... I wonder why AOL still exists. |
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Stewy85
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Never thought I would see moveon.org and Gun owners of America in the same paragraph. 
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en102
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Valencia, CA
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Re: AOL asked for the taxes so why don't we return the favor..
How about this - start a 'new' service for users who wish to have some restrictions on email. Don't try and add on a pay per use method to email that already exists.
This would make email 2 tiered, but would be a simpler solution. I.e. Corporate users, business, use a form of secured/certified mail and pay for it. The rest of us can add in filters. Just don't try to bill me for email after the fact as a bait and switch. |
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Camelot One
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Sarasota, FL
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| What....I actually agree with AOL?
You can't say it's a free speech issue, the idea in no way limits what a person can say. It just keeps me from having to hear it. If AOL wants to cut down on unwanted spam by charging spammers to get their sh*t through, I say go for it. For that matter raise the rates.
My only concern is how they will classify the messages. If I send pictures to 5 family members, am I a bulk mailer? What exactly constitutes mass-marketing, and how will you define it today that spammers won't find a work around for tomorrow? I fear it will end up being similar to copyright protection....it does nothing for solving the problem, only makes it more difficult for legitimate use.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Stewy85
Re: Wow
yeah, EFF, moveon.org and Gun owners agreeing  |
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Tarheels Fan
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Re: What....I actually agree with AOL?
Good Point,
But with the statement about each email would only cost a fraction of a cent, then my guess would be that it has to be a lot of emails for it to be considered bulk email. I am thinking somewhere in the 1000's of emails to be considered "bulk". This idea would definitely cut down on spam. I wish all email companies would implement this, as my yahoo and earthlink are full of spam all the time.
The only downside would be to companies who have legit mailing lists, now having to pay tax for sending legit emails. |
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ
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Re: AOL asked for the taxes so why don't we return the favor..
said by SilenceGold  :SO why don't we go ahead and tax all those unwanted AOL cds that we get in the mail? LOL
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
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Re: What....I actually agree with AOL?
Actually, you CAN say it's a free speech issue. In fact, the Supreme court ruled very clearly in 1978, in BANK OF BOSTON v. BELLOTTI, that the RIGHT TO LISTEN and the RIGHT TO RECEIVE INFORMATION are fundamental to free speech. If you take those rights away, then martin luther king could have been put in a 'designated area' for 'public safety', and the public would never have heard his speech. It's the same reason the government has such a hard time 'caging protesters' into 'designated area's' when they protest government action. You cannot give the right of free speech without also giving the right to listen to said speech.
Of course, as the listener, I'm not required to listen to the message, but I have the RIGHT to listen to the message. If AOL is blocking mail, without my specifically requesting it, then AOL is taking away my right to listen. If I specifically ask AOL to take away the spam, then there is no foul, but AOL unilaterally deciding that I can't listen to what the e-mail has to say is unconstitutional.
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So what about free webmail? This is only good for pay accounts. This idea by AOL is good since it is only a fraction of a cent, but for a spammer that can add up, but not for a home user. Even if it is 1/2 cent per email that is still resonable because most people don't send more than 200 emails per month. Hell my sent mail box has 280 emails total and I have had my gmail account for a year. I can't help, but wonder though if AOL's interests are genuine and not similar to telco greed where they just want a cut of the spammer's money for using their pipes. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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Sweden
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| Aol Sucks
Bullshit...
EFF is right again. If there is one leftist organization I agree with the majority of the time, it is EFF.
All this will do is lead to the death of the internet. Perhaps it won't die in the traditional sense of the word "death," but it will certainly change it if enough companies do shit like this.
-Tzale |
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| reply to G_Poobah
Re: What....I actually agree with AOL?
How is AOL the government, it is a private company and can do whatever the hell it pleases. They are not even stopping your emails. |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home | reply to SilenceGold
Re: AOL asked for the taxes so why don't we return the favor..
I know this is a joke, but AOL already pays to send you those CD's, just like they want mass mailers to pay them for sending email... |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
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Mount Vernon, NY
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| reply to G_Poobah
Re: What....I actually agree with AOL?
AOL is not blocking your mail. If the company sending pays the fee then you get it. No different then the junk mail.
Would you accuse the USPS of blocking your mail by charging postage?
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Jim Gurd
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Plymouth, MI
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| reply to Tzale
Re: Aol Sucks
said by Tzale :Bullshit... EFF is right again. If there is one leftist organization I agree with the majority of the time, it is EFF. All this will do is lead to the death of the internet. Perhaps it won't die in the traditional sense of the word "death," but it will certainly change it if enough companies do shit like this. -Tzale I don't think it's all that big of a deal. All other companies have to do is not participate in the program. When enough of the AOL users complain that they aren't receiving their e-mails the practice will be abolished (or else people will start leaving in droves). Capitalism at work. |
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aurgathor
join:2002-12-01
Lynnwood, WA
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| reply to SilenceGold
Re: AOL asked for the taxes so why don't we return the favor..
said by SilenceGold :SO why don't we go ahead and tax all those unwanted AOL cds that we get in the mail? USPS get paid for delivery, and it also cost some money to make them. Emails, on the other hand, cost virtually nothing if they are sent by the millions. The cost of material, work, and delivery is very close to zero. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| reply to Pathfinder
Re: What....I actually agree with AOL?
Absolutely I would accuse the USPS if they treated my mail differently depending on who sent it. Chase bank sends me a credit card bill, and they pay for the .30 cent stamp. My sister sends me a personal note, and she only paid for a .25 cent stamp. Exact same size letter, exact same starting point. Oh, look in my mailbox. I only FIND the chase credit card bill, because my sister didn't pay MORE to deliver exactly the same thing (a letter). In effect, AOL is denying me the right to listen to what my sister has to say in her letter, because she did not pay them extra. However, Chase, who paid them extra, gets to 'speak' to me.
Now, in my opinion, if you don't see that as a complete and total infringement on free speech then you really don't understand the concept of free speech at all. (hint: the first word in 'free speech' is ??, oh yes.. FREE). Not free as in 'no cost', but free as in 'no discrimination against the messenger'
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DaveNJ
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New Jersey
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| reply to Tzale
Re: Aol Sucks
Its revenue thats all, in the guise of stemming spam, AOL and your isp can use this technic, of charging legit organization a fee to use your email system...
AOL lost how much this year, what a great idea to make money, and make people think you doing them a favor.
But also disagree if someone sends me a email i want to see it, mininally i putting it in a spam folder, this is just the same as bellsouth, and google fighting, because it used their network |
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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
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Mount Vernon, NY | reply to G_Poobah
Re: What....I actually agree with AOL?
Oh boy. A free civics lesson. As useful as the Viagra spam I get everyday.
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pokesph
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| AOL Email Tax
what about us small fries? We send approx 1000 emails a month to AOL users and am currently in their bulk mail white list.. Are we suppose to pony up all this cash to send our messages (100% user op-in, service related [forum, etc..] email) and if we don't make any money doing this site, whaere is this payment gonna come from anf if we can't or won't pay, what happens to our previously OK email.
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