newyorkslick
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3 edits | Thats . . . Hogwash
Doesnt Boeing and Airbus do tests on the Aircrafts systems to prevent devices from interfering with the systems?
I mean if its costing upwards of $100 Million to build one Boeing 777, Im sure they can design its systems to be protected against things like these, especially when boeing is trying to push its broadband connexion model. |
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Transmaster
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Total Crap
Here we go again, if the avionics are this sensitive then it isn't safe to fly. this is the old case of use, and pay for our stuff or use nothing at all. |
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA | Let the technical assessment win out here
If it's found to be unsafe, it shouldn't happen. Otherwise, I'm all for it.
My question is: do planes need repeaters? Seems like the fuselage would make one hell of a faraday cage. |
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DHRacer
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Lake Arrowhead, CA | reply to Transmaster
Re: Total Crap
Wifi works in my house and it hasn't crashed into the ground yet!
Seriously, what's the issue with interference in planes? |
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vpoko
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said by Transmaster  :Here we go again, if the avionics are this sensitive then it isn't safe to fly. Common sense says true enough. If a 3 watt transmitter in your cellphone is a danger to avionics, then couldn't someone remotely crash a plane by pointing a big transmitting antenna at it? |
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DMS1
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Re: Let the technical assessment win out here
said by vpoko :My question is: do planes need repeaters? Seems like the fuselage would make one hell of a faraday cage. The Boeing Conexion system, which is already in service with many non-US airlines, uses the concept of a picocell which provides a local access point for wifi and cellular connection.
The biggest issue with standard cellular service in the air is the handset can simultaneously 'see' too many cells. |
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wriley
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Its already been proven that it is safe and completly harmless, anyone every searched for bluetooth on a plane? You will find 10 - 20 cell phones that are one and working. Not to mention all the laptops with people who dont know how to shut off wireless, the nintendo ds's that are looking for other players etc etc it doesnt affect the plane at all. |
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Transmaster
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Re: Total Crap
said by vpoko :said by Transmaster :Here we go again, if the avionics are this sensitive then it isn't safe to fly. Common sense says true enough. If a 3 watt transmitter in your cellphone is a danger to avionics, then couldn't someone remotely crash a plane by pointing a big transmitting antenna at it? Absolutely correct I know ham radio operators that bounce signals off of high flying jet aircraft undersides increasing the range of a 2 meter, and 440 mhz transmission by many hundreds of miles. This has been going on for decades and no harm has ever been done.
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | I think...
It's a conspiracy using mock-science aimed at shutting yammering cellphone addicts up.
And frankly, I'm all for it. |
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BuriedCaesar
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Re: Let the technical assessment win out here
said by DMS1 :said by vpoko :The biggest issue with standard cellular service in the air is the handset can simultaneously 'see' too many cells. And that seems to me like it might be quite harmful to the cell phone, but not the plane. --
That was preposterous! Utter Nonsense! Totally unsupportable drivel! You can't be serious!....Um, what did you say? |
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N3OGH
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Re: I think...
said by Karl Bode :It's a conspiracy using mock-science aimed at shutting yammering cellphone addicts up. And frankly, I'm all for it. A-(insert favorite profanity here)MEN!
As soon as they open that flood gate, every jerk and their mother will leave their phone on ring on the next red eye I take back from the West coast.
The screaming infants and turbine whine are bad enough. Last thing we need on a plane is 100's of people yammering on their cell phones.
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Re: Thats . . . Hogwash
lol, hang up and drive or fly and sleep, it'll still be there when you stop and then you can concentrate on one thing at a time...any ?'s... |
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vpoko
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Re: Total Crap
said by Transmaster :Absolutely correct I know ham radio operators that bounce signals off of high flying jet aircraft undersides increasing the range of a 2 meter, and 440 mhz transmission by many hundreds of miles. This has been going on for decades and no harm has ever been done. And don't forget some Hams have been doing moonbounce for decades, and there's no sign of the moon crashing  |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Thats . . . Hogwash
The IEEE is not some fly by night organization that was bought by the airlines trying to stop cell phones to make money. And the Carnegie Mellon engineers, if they say it may increase problems for cockpit systems, then it probably does.
All the "it isn't true" comments will be just carping because people don't want to give up anything they want - facts be damned.
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fiberguy
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Re: I think...
So everyone that has a cell phone is a screaming yammering jerk? Screaming infants, turbine whine, etc bother you? Maybe you should consider driving to your next destination. The angry, bitchy passenger is just as bad.
I guess everyone on a red eye is going to have people calling them... That's to assume that people on the ground are going to care to call people at 2am.
Is this thread about bitching about cell phone use? or the safety of it's very use on a plane? |
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NetEffects
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This always amazes me. WTF is so important that you just have to call or be connected to. Isn't it enough two people are trying to get 150,000 pounds of machine in the air? Your life is so jam packed that you can't wait to work on your Excel sheet? It isn't enough that you are packed in with 100 other morons at 35,000 feet traveling at 500+ miles per hour? As mentioned above, most people don't know how to disable the wireless card. It would be best if everyone just kept that crap tucked away. Sit back, relax, and stop believing your life can't wait. Be happy the 2000 pounds of electronics are keeping you alive.
Or, be a prick and turn on all your gear to keep yourself occupied. Just don't sit next to me.
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Telly Boot
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Re: I think...
Exactly, and not just yammering- what about people who get into an argument on their phones: what joy to sit next to that for three hours! 
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shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
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Re: Total Crap
Yeah it would have to be a lot of power with a highly directional antenna, that is tracking at 600 mph. They would also have to cover certain frequencies. They could go manual then to avoid a crash. I don't think it would affect GPS mounted on the top of the plane or even a compass, altimeter, etc. Good luck with that. |
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N3OGH
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Re: I think...
Hey, lighten up, fella.
It's an internet newsgroup thread, not congressional testimony over the patriot act.... |
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