Boomerang86
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join:2002-10-18
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clubs: | big deal?
SBC deployments of FTTN and DSL are already dead slow... this will do NOTHING to improve that, though the newly formed company will probably enhance shareholder value.
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | I say go for it
the cablecos will be doing this anyway(supermergers) and I dont think ATT will drag it's feet knowing that Verizon is laying fiber down by the mile plus when SBC merged with att dsl prices dropped maybe dsl after this will be 9.99 a month |
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scooby
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Schaumburg, IL | They are taking a loss on it in order to try and kill the competition. After the competition is gone watch them jack the prices up. |
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Rob
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
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Re: big deal?
said by Boomerang86  :SBC deployments of FTTN and DSL are already dead slow... this will do NOTHING to improve that, though the newly formed company will probably enhance shareholder value. Bellsouth has a few communites with FTTP already (3 different general of fiber optic systems + Copper). AT&T may take these communities and 'upgrade' them to make it their first 'real' FTTN services.
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JamesTree
join:2005-01-20
Birmingham, AL
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Re: I say go for it
Is it competition for telephone service that people are worried about? Well, around here, theres BellSouth, cellular (just about any provider) or some VOIP service. Whats the difference in my only traditional land line company choice being BellSouth or my only choice being AT&T or my only choice being Verizon? There are so many more options right now for voice and data that werent available 20 years ago. I see so many posts about things regarding this being anti-competitive... Its really easy to say that. Theres already no competition for land line. What would change? Is a procalamation goin to go throughout the land stating that all must have AT&T if this goes through? Someone tell me because I must be missin somethin. |
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King75
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Stevensville, MD
clubs: | reply to scooby
The Verizon CEO released a statment in support of the merger but I think that is mainly because they just merged with MCI and have been looking to buy out Vodafone's share of Verizon Wireless. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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said by JamesTree :Is it competition for telephone service that people are worried about? Well, around here, theres BellSouth, cellular (just about any provider) or some VOIP service. Whats the difference in my only traditional land line company choice being BellSouth or my only choice being AT&T or my only choice being Verizon? There are so many more options right now for voice and data that werent available 20 years ago. You're right. The real competition isn't between telcos and never has been. And whether the merger is approved or not that won't change. The real competition is now between telcos and cable companies. That will be the real battlefield. Who cares if the BS/AT&T merger is approved.
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CO_Chris
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Broomfield, CO | Naked DSL?
Well we see naked DSL this time around? |
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rahlquist
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join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA
| Yeah this isnt a big deal NOT
No big deal here in the south where BellSouth just switched all customers except those with BASIC phone service to untrarrifed new 'agreements'. Why should we be concerned?
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scott2ya
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join:2002-03-07
Missouri
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Re: Naked DSL?
said by CO_Chris :Well we see naked DSL this time around? it is comming! June or July time frame from what I have heard. |
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kcjames1138
join:2003-04-25
Olathe, KS
| Done Deal
This merger is a sure thing. SBC and BellSouth have been in bed together for a long time in Cingular wireless. When the Fed said nothing on the AT&T wireless merger and the SBC AT&T merger.
It's funny, the Feb blocked the Sprint/MCI merger, but they had no problem with Verizon buying MCI and now the rumors are Verizon is going to scoop up Sprint who is no merged with Nextel.
The Fed makes no sense. |
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CO_Chris
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join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO
1 edit | Quest?
I can only hope that Verizon buys Quest now. then there will only be 2 people will offer phone service Verizon and ATT.
I would love to see Verizon in Colorado getting out FIOS |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | reply to kcjames1138
Re: Done Deal
vrizon should have brought sprint b4 it merged with nextel it made way more sense why would sprint buy a company that use different technology than they have |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
| No big deal?
Wait, how we forgot how all the telco CEOs got together to say they need to charge QoS to companies for internet access?
Or how that this merger goes through, they will dissolve off Cingular (yes, I understand that some are unhappy with its service).
Maybe you forgot how we had (a few years ago) good competition to drop the cellular rates for phones and now there are going to be only three providers? So much for competition...
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
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Re: big deal?
Yea, I sure wanna' continue down the path to re-constitute that golden era.
When the Ma Bell monopoly bean counters wanted to keep their little world just as it was.
300 baud dial up speeds.
DSL that was always just ahead, but never available.
Telephone interconnect / safety device to protect Ma Bell's phone network (for a hefty "rental fee", of course) from nasty third party phone makers.
Long Distance fees astronomical, compared to today's pennies per minute / "free" VoIP.
While I loved the standardization and universal availability, the death grip on innovation only ended via the courts - MCI's initial long distance microwave service - and then the full blown breakup.
And look at the unbelievable foot dragging by the Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers (ILEC) monopolies that hobbles the competitive CLECs, keeping them at the mercy of the ILECs.
Monopolies are a bad idea.
Fewer services, glacially slow innovation, very high prices and incredible barriers to market entry by newcomers.
Just look at what the cable providers (say, Comcast) are doing to hinder Verizon from entering "their" video / TV market. Well, Gee, cable had to get a franchise license, community by community, some 20 years ago. The new guys should have to, too, right? Plain old bare knucle resistance by a high priced monopoly to a competitive newcomer. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | reply to JamesTree
Re: I say go for it
Exactly. When Ma Bell was broken up there was pretty much only one way to place a phone call. That's absolutely not the case any longer.
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kcjames1138
join:2003-04-25
Olathe, KS
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"I dont think ATT will drag it's feet knowing that Verizon is laying fiber down by the mile"
Um, Verizon and AT&T do not compete with each other. They have 0 overlapping markets for local phone, LD, and Internet. AT&T could careless what Verizons high-speed plans are. |
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shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
1 edit | reply to odreian615
Verizon doesn't compete with AT&T in the local markets. The would be competing with wireless phone, voip, and commercial circuits. Or you might eventually be able to get AT&T DSL over Verizon POTs lines. |
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TelecomJunky
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join:2005-12-12
Kansas City, MO
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said by TKJunkMail :You're right. The real competition isn't between telcos and never has been. And whether the merger is approved or not that won't change. The real competition is now between telcos and cable companies. That will be the real battlefield. Who cares if the BS/AT&T merger is approved. Well, you should. AT&T(SBC) is already one of the 10 ten most profitable companies in the world, Verizon is not far behind. Cable monopolies aren't even in the ball park. By allowing the phone monopolies to recombine and become even larger more profitable unregulated giants, they will squash cable.
Cable has to negotiate franchise agreements with every city. They must continually renegotiate after each term. With the new proposed bills in states written by AT&T and Verizon to remove franchise agreements, they only do so for the phone monopolies. They do nothing for cable and force cable to continue the old slow method of franchise agreements.
In addition, the phone monopolies seem to ignore that Video competition already exists over the entire country and it has done next to nothing on cable tv rates. Every person already has access to 4 different TV options: cable, direcTV, dishNet, and free over the air. Yet prices remain high for cable. Bell entering the market will do nothing for prices as well.
And for those who say the ATT/SBC merger lowered DSL rates, you are so wrong. Studies show the average rates has gone up not down. The 14.95/12.95 rates are only for six months, then it jumps to $30, plus additional fees.
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TelecomJunky
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said by djrobx :Exactly. When Ma Bell was broken up there was pretty much only one way to place a phone call. That's absolutely not the case any longer. Do you really? Ok you could use cellular. Oh wait, Verizon is owned by Verizon and Cingular is owned by AT&T. Those are the same companies as your local phone. Just because you move your $50 to cells instead of local phone doesn't mean the same company isn't getting it.
VoIP, although a viable alternative in the future is hampered. Can you keep your DSL and dump your local phone? Not in most areas, and even though the FCC has mandated some naked DSL, it only did so for a small 2 year period. So that leaves you with the only other option for broadband access and that's cable.
There are no choices. How do you not see that?
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