motoracer
join:2003-09-15
Valencia, CA | Efficiency
Better start making data transfer cheaper soon! |
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Chris 313
Come get some
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join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
clubs: | Good-Bye Caps!
With the introduction of IPTV, caps will be toast! |
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Yeah I need to regis
@rr.com
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dadkins 
| Dear Customer, You have exceeded your bandwidth cap for this month by watching too many "Desperate Housewives" episodes. We have cancelled your service. Good day. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Makes plain old cable TV a bargain compared to IPTV
The Cable companies will love this study. I can just see the press releases coming out now. Cable PR person: "Stick with us and avoid those IPTV telco price increases. They are just low-balling you now. Wait until they have to pass on their real costs. Take that Verizon." 
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
Premium
join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
 ·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | The cost...
One thing to consider is that if the Video over IP is provided by your Internet provider, such as BellSouth, BellSouth is likely not paying any bandwidth costs for data that originates and stays completely within their own network. Now, if you start downloading all your Video over IP from a non-BellSouth provided Video over IP service, the enduser is going to be causing BellSouth to pay higher bandwidth fees due to their Internet peering agreements.
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX | A Terabyte a Month?
My god!  How in holy hell are the providers going to be able provide that much for all those customers? It just doesn't seem possible. |
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Toadman
Hypnotoad
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
| All comes out in the wash
Right now it shows that average joe is overpaying and megauser is making out. Corporate auditors - Good, keep charging average Joe $29.99 Set cap or better yet, charge $ for over 2 GB for megauser. Bottom line is Bellsouth is making a boat load of money. I now feel even less sympathetic that those saps will be loosing their job when ATT / SBC buys them out. |
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Chris 313
Come get some
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join:2004-07-18
Houma, LA
clubs:
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·AT&T CallVantage
| reply to Yeah I need to regis
Re: Good-Bye Caps!
said by Yeah I need to regis :
Dear Customer, You have exceeded your bandwidth cap for this month by watching too many "Desperate Housewives" episodes. We have cancelled your service. Good day.
Yeah, that will lose customers in droves real quick. Lucky for me, I ditched BellSouth about a year and a half ago. |
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microserf
@cgocable.net
| 2+2=5
Average user (bits come from global destinations)
2GB @ $1 = $0.50/GB
Projected average user (bits come from global destinations)
9GB @ $4.50 = $0.50/GB
IPTV user (bits come from BellSouth, stay on BellSouth network)
224GB @ $112 = $0.50/GB
HD-IPTV (bits come from BellSouth, stay on BellSouth network)
1024GB @ $512 = $0.50/GB
All Kafka has proved to me is that BellSouth makes more money per customer than I thought. That, and he's a shill.
said by Henry Kafka :
Among the potential solutions to this dilemma, he conjectured, are new approaches to content caching, new network management controls and new business models for Internet services themselves. But the most important to Kafka would be any solution that dramatically reduces carriers’ cost per byte—or what he called “massive amounts of cheaper bandwidth.” Translation: we need to bleed more money from our current customers so we can bankroll infrastructure upgrades we've neglected for a decade. We'll keep coming up with stories until we find one you like.
Thank you. Come again. |
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phathead296
Got Slack?
join:2001-11-09
Charleston, SC
| reply to justbits
Re: The cost...
You said it first, and I 100% agree. The article is comparing data costs for data over the Internet to data costs within their network.
It's like me saying my DSL costs my $5 per gigabyte (~ 10GB/month, $50 DSL), and since I transfer 100GB of data on my home LAN each month, that costs me $500. Flawed comparison. My LAN architecture is in place and all I pay to transfer data is the electricity to power the switches.
All BS (AT&T) has to do is lay a fat pipe to my house and start offering IPTV. Once they have the shows on their network and the infrastructure is in place, it doesn't cost them any more to distribute it to me and hundreds of other IPTV users.
Now, if we were all downloading IPTV over the Internet, it would be a different story.
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
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| I question those costs.......
I had heard a while ago (around 2001) that my former cable provider Time Warner paid something on the order of 5~10 cents a gig, which included routing. Hasn't bandwidth prices dropped since then?
Does anybody actually know where to find wholesale bandwidth costs that these big ISP's buy from? |
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Woof Woof
I Miss Brother Iz
join:2004-09-01
Keller, TX
| What the 'ell?
The costs per month they are quoting are for backbone traffic, correct?
So what in heck does IPTV traffic have to do with backbone traffic? IPTV would be local traffic between the CO and the user, and would not be backbone traffic that costs $.
Yes, downloading movies will increase backbone traffic, but that has nothing to do with the outrageous calculations of $560/month, or even $112/month that they are quoting by including IPTV.
Sounds like another ISP "cry wolf" scenario similar to the Google fiasco. |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
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Re: I question those costs.......
said by kaila :Does anybody actually know where to find wholesale bandwidth costs that these big ISP's buy from? That's a tough one because the ISPs that actually have a "real" network are shedding a ton of traffic to peering connections. The peering contracts can get pretty complicated, but you can probably assume that they split the costs on the circuits that connect them. A good peering strategy will reduce costs dramatically, as all you pay for is the bandwidth that goes through your transit links that you have no route to via the peers...
Don't tell Whitacre about that though.
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GlenQuagmire
Giggidy Giggidy Giggidy Goo
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join:2004-02-16
Grand Rapids, MI | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Makes plain old cable TV a bargain compared to IPTV
They way it stands now POTS networks are just not designed for video. Unless they plan on upgrading their network so that they have fiber to the home they just can't do it. |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
1 edit | It would matter if...
...residential connections were even fast enough to stream hi-def. With the exception of FIOS none are reliably able to do it. My 8Mb CC connection was lucky to sustain 6Mb which would barely do well compressed Hi-def and during the evenings throughput would drop to the 2-3Mb range, and I see the same with most cable operators (according to DSLR speed tests anyway) attempting to match the speed of FTTH.
So the discussion of the costs of passing 1TB of data is irrelevant when their current services can't even deliver that much throughput.
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fiddelm3742
I Hope You Learned Your Lesson
join:2003-02-19
Waterloo, IA
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Re: All comes out in the wash
Couldn't agree more. I avg 5+ gig per month costing them approximately $4.50 I pay them (big cable co's) approximately 35 dollars. I've had internet from them for about 2 years so they have made at least $732 dollars on me. I say too bad for them!
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Eek2121
Lovin Verizon FIOS
join:2002-10-12
Flanders, NJ | This data is incorrect.
I disagree with this data. I am CEO of a small web hosting company and can get bandwidth much cheaper then this. If i can get bandwidth cheaper then this, i know telcos can. |
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-09
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1 edit | reply to qdemn7
Re: A Terabyte a Month?
Price increases would be a logical way. Consumers wouldn't like it though. |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| reply to Chris 313
Re: Good-Bye Caps!
said by Chris 313 :With the introduction of IPTV, caps will be toast! I doubt it. They will allow unlimited throughput through their own networks for IPTV (which probably wont cost them anything), but will probably still cap connections to the internet.
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | reply to Eek2121
Re: This data is incorrect.
I bet it is even cheaper now that they will be going through att network for free instead of paying qwest. |
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