markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | ROFL
“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it,"
Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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 ·XMission
| Throw mud, the harder the better
Comtek recently went on the offensive, claimed such interference complaints had been resolved, and that ham groups like the ARRL were engaged in a "campaign to turn back the clock on broadband in the United States." "They have gone to what any fair person would say is incredible lengths to address those concerns," says COMTek spokesman Scott Stapf, who insists the complaints are "a deliberate campaign on the part of the ARRL to make an example of COMTek," and "a reflection of their generally anti-BPL philosophy." If you yell prejudice loud enough and often enough and have money to back it, people believe it.
Answer this: Why does ARRL have BPL at their headquarters? What is the difference? Why is the Navy apparently complaining about the 'obsolete' service being affected by Comtek?
And other than the military, Ham radio operators tend (not always, but usually) to be on the forefront of communications technology.
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
| What any fair person would say . . .
Manassas hams have gone to what any fair person would say is incredible lengths to work with Comtek to address their concerns and help Comtek solve the interference.
Comtek’s failure to fix their problems shows both their arrogance and how clueless their engineers are. The time has come for the FCC to enforce the law and shut the Manassas BPL system down.
BPL is a failed technology that has never worked and never will.
Internet connectivity can be delivered by Fiber, Cable, DSL, WiMax - all proven and clean technologies. |
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K4GVT
join:2006-01-24
Manassas, VA | reply to markopoleo
Re: ROFL
Obviously there are people that don't understand. For those, there is BPL, "a flawed technology" with limited potential for the user and unlimited degradation for all others. "GO FIBER!" |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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said by markopoleo  :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. [SARCASM]Nice analogy[/SARCASM]
I was doing e-mail, FTP and TELNET with TCP/IP over 2 Meter packet radio in 1990. What were you doing?
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kv5e
Ride Free
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join:2001-12-04
Mesquite, TX
| Comtek made their bed
Comtek leveraged their relationship with the local municipality with an inferior version of BPL technology.
The unlicensed Part 15 emissions are interfering with licensed users of the spectrum.
What a success!!!  900 subscribers and the unique properties of the HF spectrum are made unusable by the infrastructure choice of BPL.
Comtek is stuck with their "early adoptee" version of BPL that will fail and the best they can do is stick their head in the sand and say "It's OK!" because they ignore the mandate of FCC regulations. Meanwhile newer versions of BPL can co-exist will all of the HF spectrum users due to better implementations of this "third-pipe".
I am all for BPL, but it needs to be implemented with a technology that meets the requirements of the Rule of Law.
There are WiMAX trials using amateur frequencies in the US. The 3.3 - 3.5 GHz spectrum is available for the Amateur Radio Service and this frequency range is available in ITU Regions 1 & 3 for EXISTING WiMAX infrastructure for 802.16 - 2004 . . . HSMM will gain acceptance in the Amateur Radio Service for Public Service and non-commercial use and particularly when additional price compression is seen in the infrastructure.
While others spend their life bemoaning how backwards Amateur Radio is, and max their connections with P2P and p0rn downloads, amateurs with RF and IT expertise will try to make a difference in Public Service.
Please don't think that everyone with a ham license is anti-technology ! |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Comtek offering slow product at high price; will die on vine
Manassas Va has plenty of broadband options. Comtek's offering is pretty poor. Residential customers get at least 200-500kbps downstream for $28.95 a month. Who in their right mind wants their slow service at that price when there are so many other options. I don't think that the ARRL has much to worry about. This project will die from no profits pretty quickly.
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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Re: ROFL
said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. Says the troll who is great at making cheap potshots based on untrue stereotypes, and has never had the time or inclination to back his previous statements about DC power grids being better for BPL, or even shown where DC power grids exist. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
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said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc.
Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two.
Do me a favor and learn something.
Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE.
-Tzale
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
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said by n2jtx :said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. [SARCASM]Nice analogy[/SARCASM] I was doing e-mail, FTP and TELNET with TCP/IP over 2 Meter packet radio in 1990. What were you doing? EXACTLY!
These people don't realize how much Ham Radio is intertwined with really modern technology. They think Ham Radio is just CB radio with old pompous old guys who feel special that they are "licensed." It ain't nothing like CB radio and a lot of those old guys REALLY earned their licenses. Making a contact with someone in Saudi Arabia via the internet is easy, making that contact with NO wires your OWN radio station is far different. That is what people don't realize, it's not just for the "talk" but also for the "challenge" to connect two points. Digital Modes, Analog Modes, Echolink, Earth-Moon-Earth, Satellite Operations, Meteor Scatter (bouncing signals off an incoming meteorites ionized trail) etc...
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
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Re: Comtek offering slow product at high price; will die on vine
said by TKJunkMail :Manassas Va has plenty of broadband options. Comtek's offering is pretty poor. Residential customers get at least 200-500kbps downstream for $28.95 a month. Who in their right mind wants their slow service at that price when there are so many other options. I don't think that the ARRL has much to worry about. This project will die from no profits pretty quickly. That's what I say. It's too bad that people don't realize how much hams have helped and continue to help with life saving work in America everyday and even just with regular community service (running races, parades, etc). On 9/11 when the emergency services couldn't communicate Ham Radio licensees were there to move traffic.
Ham Radio is FAR from an obsolete technology. It is a conglameration of technology, experimentation, etc.... Bouncing signals off the moon, trying to catch satellites crossing the Earth at thousands of mile per hour, Echolink, Internet-Radio-Linking Project (talk within 50 or so miles of an IRLP repeater and the audio is transmitted via the net to anywhere in the world to another repeater with IRLP or just a PC), PSK31 Keyboard-to-Keyboard operations, Hellschreiber, CW, Packet Radio (early form of the internet for "citizens", Meteor Scatter (bouncing 2 meter (local) signals off an incoming meteorites ionized trail to another location hundreds of miles away, Amateur Television (yes HAM RADIO does have TV)... So basically, don't think of the "phone" (voice) part of Ham Radio as the ONLY part. Radio is simply a means of transmission, MANY modes can be used over radio. Many advanced and more being invented every year.
-Tzale
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kv5e
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join:2001-12-04
Mesquite, TX | Quote THIS!
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
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kv5e
Ride Free
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join:2001-12-04
Mesquite, TX
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Re: ROFL
said by rf_engineer :said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. Says the troll who is great at making cheap potshots based on untrue stereotypes, and has never had the time or inclination to back his previous statements about DC power grids being better for BPL, or even shown where DC power grids exist. I really don't want to be a narcissitic source supply for a troll, but it looks like our *intrepid explorer* has let his alligator mouth overload his hummingbird @$$ yet again . . . .  :D:D |
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Go Hams
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SARCASM ON
Um, that would be, "Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents BUILT for him on his birthday."
SARCASM OFF
Turnkey rigs didn't exist in that era. |
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Ham band guy
join:2005-07-13
Minneapolis, MN
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The person who doesnt know the difference between AC and DC power must be as intelligent as the engineers at Comtek-typical IT types that would'nt know a volt from an amp,let alone anything about RF such as radiation resistance,capacitive and inductive reactance,ingress,egress,antenna gain and directional pattern,etc.etc.
All I have to say is GO FIBER, this will be the death knell for BPL. As far as grid monitoring,that can be done with fiber and wireless links.
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zenzen
join:2001-07-15
Copiague, NY
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Re: Quote THIS!
said by kv5e :"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Dr. Richard P. Feynman Agreeded.
What many do not realize, is that the same 'group' of freq's that the hams will have issue with these other groups will *also* be adversly affected: Homeland Security, your local Public ServicesAgencies, Emergency communications from public & private aircraft etc.
ZenZen.
'Broadband over powerline' (BPL) will create a one of the largest (?'unintentional'?) transmission system (read: 'antenna systems') and is a technology blunder.
If you go to fcc.gov and lookup 'part 95', you will see that all part 95 devices, BPL included, are required to prove that they are not going to be able to create interferance.
The power companies know that it will, and that the steps that they are taking to control this issue are inadaquate.
In Hauppage Long Island NY, LIPA (Our power company) is being funded by New York State (Huh?) to create this flawed technology.
As a private citizen and Emergency communications officer for my district, I am doing my best to educate the state, fed gov and the general public.
I'm sorry if this does not address the question to a better level. ... I'm working on it. It just caught my eye this PM on this site.
ZenZen. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| What's the matter here?
I mean I'm all for any kind of muni approach but this BPL stuff is
1) apparently doesn't comply with FCC rules
2) and provides only "200-500kbps downstream for $28.95 a month.
This experiment should be dropped. It's barely faster than a first-gen GPRS cellphone service yet costs more and causes problems due to its non-compliant implementation.
Even if these people are very for from any cable or DSL exchange, the city can still opt for a cell-based service. Heck, my T-Mobile unlimited EDGE connection (tops at 2xxkb/s) on my phone costs me only $20/mo... |
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spicerun
join:2001-03-21
Southlake, TX
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Re: ROFLBQUOTE=[user=Tzale]][bquote]
said by uid://794284
said by Tzale :You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc. And any other technology in broadband and computer (TCP/IP not withstanding) isn't true technology. Is that what I understand you ranting in your chest thumphing exercise here?
said by Tzale :Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two. That's good advice. Why DON'T YOU TAKE IT???
It's a shame a lot of you HAMs just don't get it. It isn't people are bashing your hobby or technological prowess. It is your sucky ATTITUDE towards the public that isn't into HAM Radio that draws the insults and general bashing.
In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help.
said by Tzale :Do me a favor and learn something. Do us all a favor and learn how to deal with the non-HAM public. It might be more educational than your ranting.
said by Tzale :Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE. And in between time, HAMs oppose the ways the Public might obtain services that they won't otherwise be able to get. And, by the way, just rattling off little solutions like 'FIOS or Fiber' just makes you look petty. I'm sure it makes you feel better to point to and say that's an alternative to BPL, but it makes you look ignorant when you suggest that to people who live in areas where there is not even a hint of hope that any company will ever deploy any of these 'mentioned' alternatives to those areas due to economics. You HAMs know better, and the public knows better.
You claimed that HAMS have "helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE". So why don't you guys set up a Wireless broadband system avaialable for everybody in the community, or at least help lobby the FCC to make some of the spectrum available to regular citizens for such a service? That would help the public more than to continually bash them for finding a way to get services in places that commercial companies won't even touch. Oh, word to wise, comments, such as ones I've heard earlier, about "Why should I have to do that?" won't earn you much respect among the public.
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Jan Janowski
join:2000-06-18
Skokie, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| BPL is flawed technology!!
Interference is Interference..
Just as John Q. Public should not have to put up with Television Interference from Amateur Radio transmissions, Neither should Amateur, nor public safety communications be interfered with....
Noise generation is interference....
Move to something less problematical!!! Cable, DSL, Fibre would be an alternative that would run rings around BPL in bandwidth.... Why push technology that is low bandwidth, and won't be adequate in the coming years?
It was an idea that kind-of works, using existing wires, as is DSL & Cable & Fibre (if ever widely distributed)...
But Interference is still Interference....
It needs to be shut down, and better ideas explored!!!
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
·Charter Pipeline
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Re: ROFL
said by n2jtx :said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. [SARCASM]Nice analogy[/SARCASM] I was doing e-mail, FTP and TELNET with TCP/IP over 2 Meter packet radio in 1990. What were you doing? The same thing, i was hitting up BBS to play Legend of the Red Dragon. browseing Gopher on my 14.4 dialup modem. Even then I would laugh if ham radio ops protested BBL if it was available.
HAM is set to die, just a matter of when. Every year it dies a little more..thank goodness. Ham had its place, but its not in the USA anymore. No HAM was needed at ANY natural disaster since 1989 before you pull the "but HAM saves lives" card. |
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